[WARC] SKYWARN callout

Erik Brom ewbrom at hbci.com
Tue Jun 3 00:01:44 GMT 2008 

Using an Internet connection for APRS is fine for storm watching, but 
there should be a backup radio connection in case the local 
infrastructure is damaged or overloaded.
Erik


At 04:29 PM 06/02/08, you wrote:
>That computer apparently had "issues" and got pulled. One of the
>requirements of IT at the LEC is that only their computers running their
>software can be hooked into the county network.
>
>Bill Soranno has put together another computer that can run APRS. The issue
>with internet is that they had problems during the flood - they could not
>hear messages from other stations due to de-sensing.
>
>What you did is precisely what I would like to be able to do.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: warc-bounces at lists.w0ne.org [mailto:warc-bounces at lists.w0ne.org] On
>Behalf Of Russell Marsolek
>Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 4:17 PM
>To: Winona Amateur Radio Club general discussion
>Subject: RE: [WARC] SKYWARN callout
>
>We had APRS, on a computer at the Winona EOC. When I was NCS down there I
>use to run that system and was very able to see where the spotters were (the
>ones that had APRS in their vehicle). The ones that did not have APRS, I
>placed an ICON right on the map, and moved it around as needed. Very simple,
>and easy to do. No internet involved.
>
>So what ever happened to that system?
>
>RLM
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: warc-bounces at lists.w0ne.org [mailto:warc-bounces at lists.w0ne.org]On
>Behalf Of Walt Kelly
>Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 11:01 AM
>To: 'Winona Amateur Radio Club general discussion'
>Subject: RE: [WARC] SKYWARN callout
>
>
>Over the years I have worked on SkyWarn the two questions I have really
>liked a picture of is: 1) Where is the storm; and 2) Where are the spotters?
>
>A marker on a laminated map has sufficed for my needs, but it is of limited
>use to any others in the room and of no use to anyone else. Being able to
>draw - and share - that map showing storm and spotter locations is my goal.
>
>APRS seems like the best way to do that over the air. And over the air would
>be of greater use than just over the internet. At least to people without
>internet access - like spotters.
>
>Now Clare brings an interesting aspect to CMH: do we need to have radio APRS
>capability there, or is internet sufficient?
>
>Could Russ' rig be better used in the field by a spotter?
>
>Good questions!
>
>Please give your thoughts.
>
>At present, we do need the computer at CMH.
>
>Walt
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: warc-bounces at lists.w0ne.org [mailto:warc-bounces at lists.w0ne.org] On
>Behalf Of Clare Jarvis
>Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 8:24 AM
>To: Winona Amateur Radio Club general discussion
>Subject: Re: [WARC] SKYWARN callout
>
>Our intention was to just use an internet feed at CMH but Walt, others, and
>I
>will certainly discuss and weigh the possibilities.
>
>tnx es 73 Clare
>de K0ny
>
>
>On Sunday 01 June 2008 09:39 pm, Russell Marsolek wrote:
> > I have a radio and TNC that I will donate for the CMH, APRS system if
> > needed.
> >
> > RLM / N0QK
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: warc-bounces at lists.w0ne.org [mailto:warc-bounces at lists.w0ne.org]
> > On Behalf Of Walt Kelly
> > Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 12:48 PM
> > To: 'Winona Amateur Radio Club general discussion'
> > Subject: RE: [WARC] SKYWARN callout
> >
> >
> > At the last meeting with Bob, he indicated that a move of the office
> > will not be occurring soon and that we should plan - for right now -
> > with the office staying where it is.
> >
> > Evaluating the callout of this week, having an active APRS at the
> > hospital seems like a good idea.
> >
> > The "fingers" issue could be addressed with the addition of a
> > polycarbonate (or other material) shield over the goodies. People do
> > seem to like to tinker with the knobs and switches even though they
> > shouldn't.
> >
> > Walt
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: warc-bounces at lists.w0ne.org [mailto:warc-bounces at lists.w0ne.org]
> > On Behalf Of jarvis at jarviscomputer.com
> > Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 8:51 AM
> > To: Winona Amateur Radio Club general discussion
> > Subject: Re: [WARC] SKYWARN callout
> >
> > I wouldn't put too much time to get a solution as we do not know if the
> > EOC will be staying in that building yet.
> >
> > Clare
> >
> > > If from our own transmissions then we can control it. I guess I don't
> > > understand what the problem might be. We only need to hear one station
> > >
> > > (W0NE) and it should be pretty strong. If it's our own signals, then a
> > >
> > > single cavity might do the trick
> > >
> > > Could also consider reducing power on the net control station. Only
> > > need a half a watt or so to reach the repeater.  Better yet, use a
> > > Kenwood and put the APRS in the same radio. No desense then!
> > >
> > >
> > > -Les
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Erik Brom" <ewbrom at hbci.com>
> > > To: "Winona Amateur Radio Club general discussion"
> > > <warc at lists.w0ne.org>
> > > Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 21:30
> > > Subject: Re: [WARC] SKYWARN callout
> > >
> > >> Well, I don't know, but I suspect it is the amateur
> > >
> > > transmissions.  I
> > >
> > >> only make this guess because its the closest (in frequency)
> > >
> > > thing.
> > >
> > >> I'm pretty sure it is local desense, though, because on Monday
> > >
> > > of the
> > >
> > >> flood I was in Rushford, and Jim, KB0THN, had his known good
> > >
> > > setup at
> > >
> > >> the LEC.  I was getting his messages, and I was able to ping
> > >
> > > and see
> > >
> > >> other stations in Winona, but he was not getting my messages.
> > >>
> > >> Erik
> > >>
> > >> At 09:27 PM 05/31/08, you wrote:
> > >> >What causes the desense?  The amateur transmissions or other service
> > >> >
> > >> >transmissions? If other service transmissions, I think we should try
> > >> >
> > >> >a coax stub - the frequencies are different enough that it might
> > >
> > > work.
> > >
> > >> >1/4 wavelength open at the offending frequency.
> > >> >
> > >> >-Les
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >----- Original Message -----
> > >> >From: "Erik Brom" <ewbrom at hbci.com>
> > >> >To: "Winona Amateur Radio Club general discussion"
> > >> ><warc at lists.w0ne.org>
> > >> >Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 21:20
> > >> >Subject: Re: [WARC] SKYWARN callout
> > >> >
> > >> > > I don't either.  But, as we were discussing on the air, if
> > >
> > > we
> > >
> > >> >can't
> > >> >
> > >> > > get a radio that isn't desensed, then we need an Internet
> > >> > > connection.  And even that is only good as long as the
> > >> >
> > >> >commercial
> > >> >
> > >> > > infrastructure is up and running.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Erik
> > >> > >
> > >> > > At 07:03 PM 05/31/08, you wrote:
> > >> > > >Sounds good Erik, although I don't understand the "little
> > >> > > >fingers" argument. Seems like we could keep a computer
> > >
> > > secure
> > >
> > >> > > >down there of all places!
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >-Les
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > >> > > >From: "Erik Brom" <ewbrom at hbci.com>
> > >> > > >To: "Winona Amateur Radio Club general discussion"
> > >> > > ><warc at lists.w0ne.org>
> > >> > > >Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 15:57
> > >> > > >Subject: Re: [WARC] SKYWARN callout
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > > Next time I'm at the LEC I'll bring my laptop w/APRS
> > >
> > > sw
> > >
> > >> >and
> > >> >
> > >> > > >use my cell phone as a modem to access the Internet and
> > >> >
> > >> >monitor
> > >> >
> > >> > > >APRS via an I-gate.  (I have an unlimited data plan).
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > > Erik
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > From:  Daniel Goltz <dgoltz at hbci.com>
> > >> > > > > Subj:  [WARC] SKYWARN callout
> > >> > > > > Date:  Sat May 31, 2008 10:56 am
> > >> > > > > Size:  662 bytes
> > >> > > > > To:  WARC at lists.w0ne.org
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > Thanks to all who participated in yesterdays SKYWARN
> > >
> > > net.
> > >
> > >> >Your
> > >> >
> > >> > > >reports were
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > > execllent!  There were a flood of reports from many
> > >> >
> > >> >sources
> > >> >
> > >> > > >and we were
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > > able to confirm and refute many based on your
> > >> >
> > >> >observations.
> > >> >
> > >> > > > > It is interesting that many reports that come from
> > >
> > > other
> > >
> > >> > > >services lack
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > > detail and to some extent reliability.  We have high
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >confidence in the ham
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > > reports and use them as the gold standard when
> > >
> > > comparing
> > >
> > >> > > >reports from other
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > > sources.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > Thanks again.
> > >> > > > > Dan WK0W
> > >> > > > > Daniel L. Goltz
> > >> > > > > 702 Spring Brook Dr.
> > >> > > > > Winona, MN 55987
> > >> > > > >
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>Mr. Clare Jarvis
>Jarvis Computer Software
>PO Box 1264
>Winona MN 55987-7264
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