From Litvan at acegroup.cc Thu Oct 1 04:30:39 2009 From: Litvan at acegroup.cc (Len Litvan) Date: Thu Oct 1 04:30:46 2009 Subject: [WARC] Where, oh where, is my General Class License Manual? Message-ID: <4AC4306F.40808@acegroup.cc> Hello all, I offered to loan my General Class License Manual to a WSHS student who = wants to study and test for Technician and general this fall, but when I = went to get the manual, all I seemed to have was an older edition which = I used to study for my license six years ago. I know that I had the = current edition for last year's General Class course sponsored by the = club. Hmmmm.... Did I loan the study manual to one of you???? Please check and let me = know if you have it. I would like to get it to the prospective new ham = so he can study from the current edition--not an obsolete one. Thanks, Len KC0RSX -------------- next part -------------- Skipped content of type multipart/alternative From zeckalpha at gmail.com Thu Oct 1 12:43:01 2009 From: zeckalpha at gmail.com (Kyle Marek-Spartz) Date: Thu Oct 1 12:43:26 2009 Subject: [WARC] Re: WARC Digest, Vol 32, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <20091001120008.C884B214001@db2.aprsworld.net> References: <20091001120008.C884B214001@db2.aprsworld.net> Message-ID: SWYgdGhpcyBpcyB0aGUgbWFudWFsIHRoYXQgSSBoYXZlIGZyb20gbGFzdCBzcHJpbmcsIGl0IGlz IHdpdGggbWUgaW4gdGhlClR3aW4gQ2l0aWVzLgpJIGJlbGlldmUgSSBrbm93IHRoZSBzdHVkZW50 IGZyb20gV1NIUy4gVGhlIHRlY2huaWNpYW4gbWFudWFsIHRoYXQgaGUgaGFzIGlzCnRoZSBvbmUg SSBwdXJjaGFzZWQgbGFzdCBzcHJpbmcsIGlmIHdlIGFyZSB0YWxraW5nIGFib3V0IHRoZSBzYW1l IHN0dWRlbnQuCgpJIGNhbiBnZXQgaXQgdG8gZWl0aGVyIG9uZSBvZiB5b3UgdGhyb3VnaCBteSBw YXJlbnRzLCBhcyBJIG1heSBzZWUgdGhlbSB0aGlzCndlZWtlbmQsIGlmIHlvdSdkIGxpa2UuCgpL eWxlIE1hcmVrLVNwYXJ0eiAtIEtEw5hHVEsKCj4gTWVzc2FnZTogMQo+IERhdGU6IFdlZCwgMzAg U2VwIDIwMDkgMjM6MzA6MzkgLTA1MDAKPiBGcm9tOiBMZW4gTGl0dmFuIDxMaXR2YW5AYWNlZ3Jv dXAuY2M+Cj4gU3ViamVjdDogW1dBUkNdIFdoZXJlLCBvaCB3aGVyZSwgaXMgbXkgR2VuZXJhbCBD bGFzcyBMaWNlbnNlIE1hbnVhbD8KPiBUbzogVzBORSBMaXN0c2VydiA8d2FyY0BsaXN0cy53MG5l Lm9yZz4KPiBNZXNzYWdlLUlEOiA8NEFDNDMwNkYuNDA4MDhAYWNlZ3JvdXAuY2M+Cj4gQ29udGVu dC1UeXBlOiB0ZXh0L3BsYWluOyBjaGFyc2V0PSJpc28tODg1OS0xIgo+Cj4gSGVsbG8gYWxsLAo+ Cj4gSSBvZmZlcmVkIHRvIGxvYW4gbXkgR2VuZXJhbCBDbGFzcyBMaWNlbnNlIE1hbnVhbCB0byBh IFdTSFMgc3R1ZGVudCB3aG8gPQo+Cj4gd2FudHMgdG8gc3R1ZHkgYW5kIHRlc3QgZm9yIFRlY2hu aWNpYW4gYW5kIGdlbmVyYWwgdGhpcyBmYWxsLCBidXQgd2hlbiBJID0KPgo+IHdlbnQgdG8gZ2V0 IHRoZSBtYW51YWwsIGFsbCBJIHNlZW1lZCB0byBoYXZlIHdhcyBhbiBvbGRlciBlZGl0aW9uIHdo aWNoID0KPgo+IEkgdXNlZCB0byBzdHVkeSBmb3IgbXkgbGljZW5zZSBzaXggeWVhcnMgYWdvLiAg SSBrbm93IHRoYXQgSSBoYWQgdGhlID0KPgo+IGN1cnJlbnQgZWRpdGlvbiBmb3IgbGFzdCB5ZWFy J3MgR2VuZXJhbCBDbGFzcyBjb3Vyc2Ugc3BvbnNvcmVkIGJ5IHRoZSA9Cj4KPiBjbHViLiAgSG1t bW0uLi4uCj4KPiBEaWQgSSBsb2FuIHRoZSBzdHVkeSBtYW51YWwgdG8gb25lIG9mIHlvdT8/Pz8g IFBsZWFzZSBjaGVjayBhbmQgbGV0IG1lID0KPgo+IGtub3cgaWYgeW91IGhhdmUgaXQuICBJIHdv dWxkIGxpa2UgdG8gZ2V0IGl0IHRvIHRoZSBwcm9zcGVjdGl2ZSBuZXcgaGFtID0KPgo+IHNvIGhl IGNhbiBzdHVkeSBmcm9tIHRoZSBjdXJyZW50IGVkaXRpb24tLW5vdCBhbiBvYnNvbGV0ZSBvbmUu Cj4KPiBUaGFua3MsCj4gTGVuIEtDMFJTWAo+Ci0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tIG5leHQgcGFydCAtLS0t LS0tLS0tLS0tLQpBbiBIVE1MIGF0dGFjaG1lbnQgd2FzIHNjcnViYmVkLi4uClVSTDogaHR0cDov L2xpc3RzLncwbmUub3JnL3BpcGVybWFpbC93YXJjL2F0dGFjaG1lbnRzLzIwMDkxMDAxL2FkNzQ1 ODQ5L2F0dGFjaG1lbnQuaHRtbAo= From jj at aprsworld.com Thu Oct 1 13:25:27 2009 From: jj at aprsworld.com (James Jarvis) Date: Thu Oct 1 13:25:56 2009 Subject: [WARC] James' tower raising In-Reply-To: <4AC230B8.3080905@aprsworld.com> References: <4AC227D2.5030408@hbci.com> <4AC230B8.3080905@aprsworld.com> Message-ID: <4AC4ADC7.1040106@aprsworld.com> Update: We ran into some technical difficulities while erecting the tower yesterday. The guy wires were too short. New guy wires are being manufactured as I write this. If the wind is low enough, we will use a crane tomorrow to take down the tower sections up (50ft) and then lift the combined tower and wind generator. This plan hasn't been finalized, however. -Jim James Jarvis wrote: > Hi Dick and Group, > > The tower raising got pushed back a day. It is now happening tomorrow > and potentially Thursday. > > My house is 0.3 miles north of Fremont. Coming from Winona, take the > Lewiston exit off of I-90. Go south on county road 29. It will curve to > the right (west). Follow that road about 1 mile to Fremont. Turn right > at the first opprotunity (across from the Fremont Store). I will be > third "house" on the left. > > You can reach me on my cell at 507-312-4437. > > I would imagine activity will start around 9AM tomorrow and conclude at > dark. > > Activity at hand: using gin pole to erect 120 foot tower and install > wind generator on top. The manufacturer of the wind generator and the > tower will be directing the operation and running it as a training class > for a handful of their customers. > > Any and all are welcome to come out and watch, but I am NOT asking for > volunteer labor to erect the tower. > > -Jim > > Dick Lindner wrote: >> Could someone please provide driving directions to the site of the >> grand tower raising? >> >> Dick W0RIF >> _______________________________________________ >> WARC mailing list >> WARC@lists.w0ne.org >> http://lists.w0ne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/warc > > -- -James Jefferson Jarvis APRS World, LLC +1-507-454-2727 www.aprsworld.com From cyberzl1 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 1 13:39:19 2009 From: cyberzl1 at yahoo.com (cyberzl1) Date: Thu Oct 1 13:39:25 2009 Subject: [WARC] Re: WARC Digest, Vol 32, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7859.56714.qm@web51004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Try the library too. I got both the General and Extra from the public library through interloan. JW --- On Thu, 10/1/09, Kyle Marek-Spartz wrote: From: Kyle Marek-Spartz Subject: [WARC] Re: WARC Digest, Vol 32, Issue 1 To: warc@lists.w0ne.org Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 7:43 AM If this is the manual that I have from last spring, it is with me in the Tw= in Cities. I believe I know the student from WSHS. The technician manual that he has i= s the one I purchased last spring, if we are talking about the same student. I can get it to either one of you through my parents, as I may see them thi= s weekend, if you'd like. Kyle Marek-Spartz - KD=D8GTK Message: 1 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:30:39 -0500 From: Len Litvan Subject: [WARC] Where, oh where, is my General Class License Manual? To: W0NE Listserv Message-ID: <4AC4306F.40808@acegroup.cc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Hello all, I offered to loan my General Class License Manual to a WSHS student who =3D wants to study and test for Technician and general this fall, but when I = =3D went to get the manual, all I seemed to have was an older edition which =3D I used to study for my license six years ago. =A0I know that I had the =3D current edition for last year's General Class course sponsored by the =3D club. =A0Hmmmm.... Did I loan the study manual to one of you???? =A0Please check and let me = =3D know if you have it. =A0I would like to get it to the prospective new ham = =3D so he can study from the current edition--not an obsolete one. Thanks, Len KC0RSX -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ WARC mailing list WARC@lists.w0ne.org http://lists.w0ne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/warc = -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.w0ne.org/pipermail/warc/attachments/20091001/56bf7dca/att= achment.htm From Litvan at acegroup.cc Thu Oct 1 15:33:05 2009 From: Litvan at acegroup.cc (Len Litvan) Date: Thu Oct 1 15:33:11 2009 Subject: [WARC] Re: WARC Digest, Vol 32, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: <20091001120008.C884B214001@db2.aprsworld.net> Message-ID: <4AC4CBB1.3050003@acegroup.cc> Kyle, Yes, it is Josh. Please get it direct to him if you would. Good to hear from you--and to follow your exploits on Facebook. :-) 73, Len KC0RSX Kyle Marek-Spartz wrote: > If this is the manual that I have from last spring, it is with me in = > the Twin Cities. > > I believe I know the student from WSHS. The technician manual that he = > has is the one I purchased last spring, if we are talking about the = > same student. > > I can get it to either one of you through my parents, as I may see = > them this weekend, if you'd like. > > Kyle Marek-Spartz - KD=D8GTK -------------- next part -------------- Skipped content of type multipart/alternative From Litvan at acegroup.cc Thu Oct 1 15:35:08 2009 From: Litvan at acegroup.cc (Len Litvan) Date: Thu Oct 1 15:35:15 2009 Subject: [WARC] Re: WARC Digest, Vol 32, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <7859.56714.qm@web51004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <7859.56714.qm@web51004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4AC4CC2C.1040509@acegroup.cc> Jeridiah, Thanks for the tip. Len cyberzl1 wrote: > Try the library too. > > I got both the General and Extra from the public library through = > interloan. > > JW > -------------- next part -------------- Skipped content of type multipart/alternative From tom at galesvillefiredepartment.org Thu Oct 1 16:38:50 2009 From: tom at galesvillefiredepartment.org (Tom Peterson) Date: Thu Oct 1 16:39:00 2009 Subject: [WARC] James' tower raising In-Reply-To: <4AC4ADC7.1040106@aprsworld.com> References: <4AC227D2.5030408@hbci.com> <4AC230B8.3080905@aprsworld.com> <4AC4ADC7.1040106@aprsworld.com> Message-ID: <4AC4DB1A.4060800@galesvillefiredepartment.org> I would love to see some pictures of this when it's all done. James Jarvis wrote: > Update: > > We ran into some technical difficulities while erecting the tower > yesterday. The guy wires were too short. New guy wires are being > manufactured as I write this. If the wind is low enough, we will use a > crane tomorrow to take down the tower sections up (50ft) and then lift > the combined tower and wind generator. This plan hasn't been > finalized, however. > > -Jim > > James Jarvis wrote: >> Hi Dick and Group, >> >> The tower raising got pushed back a day. It is now happening tomorrow >> and potentially Thursday. >> >> My house is 0.3 miles north of Fremont. Coming from Winona, take the >> Lewiston exit off of I-90. Go south on county road 29. It will curve >> to the right (west). Follow that road about 1 mile to Fremont. Turn >> right at the first opprotunity (across from the Fremont Store). I >> will be third "house" on the left. >> >> You can reach me on my cell at 507-312-4437. >> >> I would imagine activity will start around 9AM tomorrow and conclude >> at dark. >> >> Activity at hand: using gin pole to erect 120 foot tower and install >> wind generator on top. The manufacturer of the wind generator and the >> tower will be directing the operation and running it as a training >> class for a handful of their customers. >> >> Any and all are welcome to come out and watch, but I am NOT asking >> for volunteer labor to erect the tower. >> >> -Jim >> >> Dick Lindner wrote: >>> Could someone please provide driving directions to the site of the >>> grand tower raising? >>> >>> Dick W0RIF >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WARC mailing list >>> WARC@lists.w0ne.org >>> http://lists.w0ne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/warc >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.14.1/2407 - Release Date: 10/01/09 06:34:00 > > From jarvis at jarviscomputer.com Thu Oct 1 17:06:45 2009 From: jarvis at jarviscomputer.com (Clare Jarvis) Date: Thu Oct 1 17:07:19 2009 Subject: [WARC] James' tower raising In-Reply-To: <4AC4DB1A.4060800@galesvillefiredepartment.org> References: <4AC227D2.5030408@hbci.com> <4AC4ADC7.1040106@aprsworld.com> <4AC4DB1A.4060800@galesvillefiredepartment.org> Message-ID: <200910011206.45222.jarvis@jarviscomputer.com> All, here is a link to a folder with some pictures. Unfortunately I was pulled from the this area to prep the tail. Clare http://goldeneye.jarviscomputer.com/clare/tower/ On Thursday 01 October 2009 11:38:50 Tom Peterson wrote: > I would love to see some pictures of this when it's all done. > > James Jarvis wrote: > > Update: > > > > We ran into some technical difficulities while erecting the tower > > yesterday. The guy wires were too short. New guy wires are being > > manufactured as I write this. If the wind is low enough, we will use a > > crane tomorrow to take down the tower sections up (50ft) and then lift > > the combined tower and wind generator. This plan hasn't been > > finalized, however. > > > > -Jim > > > > James Jarvis wrote: > >> Hi Dick and Group, > >> > >> The tower raising got pushed back a day. It is now happening tomorrow > >> and potentially Thursday. > >> > >> My house is 0.3 miles north of Fremont. Coming from Winona, take the > >> Lewiston exit off of I-90. Go south on county road 29. It will curve > >> to the right (west). Follow that road about 1 mile to Fremont. Turn > >> right at the first opprotunity (across from the Fremont Store). I > >> will be third "house" on the left. > >> > >> You can reach me on my cell at 507-312-4437. > >> > >> I would imagine activity will start around 9AM tomorrow and conclude > >> at dark. > >> > >> Activity at hand: using gin pole to erect 120 foot tower and install > >> wind generator on top. The manufacturer of the wind generator and the > >> tower will be directing the operation and running it as a training > >> class for a handful of their customers. > >> > >> Any and all are welcome to come out and watch, but I am NOT asking > >> for volunteer labor to erect the tower. > >> > >> -Jim > >> > >> Dick Lindner wrote: > >>> Could someone please provide driving directions to the site of the > >>> grand tower raising? > >>> > >>> Dick W0RIF > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> WARC mailing list > >>> WARC@lists.w0ne.org > >>> http://lists.w0ne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/warc > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.14.1/2407 - Release Date: 10/01/09 > > 06:34:00 > > _______________________________________________ > WARC mailing list > WARC@lists.w0ne.org > http://lists.w0ne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/warc -- Mr. Clare Jarvis President, Jarvis Computer Software PO Box 1264 Winona, MN 5598707264 (507) 454-2575 From rmarsole at hbci.com Thu Oct 1 17:16:19 2009 From: rmarsole at hbci.com (rmarsole@hbci.com) Date: Thu Oct 1 17:16:25 2009 Subject: [WARC] James' tower raising In-Reply-To: <200910011206.45222.jarvis@jarviscomputer.com> References: <4AC227D2.5030408@hbci.com> <4AC4ADC7.1040106@aprsworld.com> <4AC4DB1A.4060800@galesvillefiredepartment.org> <200910011206.45222.jarvis@jarviscomputer.com> Message-ID: <20091001121619.154836574zv9k3j7@mail.hbci.com> I'll try and get some from the air for you as well when it is all done. RLM / N0QK Quoting Clare Jarvis : > All, > > here is a link to a folder with some pictures. Unfortunately I was > pulled from the > this area to prep the tail. > > > Clare > > > http://goldeneye.jarviscomputer.com/clare/tower/ > > > > > > > On Thursday 01 October 2009 11:38:50 Tom Peterson wrote: >> I would love to see some pictures of this when it's all done. >> >> James Jarvis wrote: >> > Update: >> > >> > We ran into some technical difficulities while erecting the tower >> > yesterday. The guy wires were too short. New guy wires are being >> > manufactured as I write this. If the wind is low enough, we will use a >> > crane tomorrow to take down the tower sections up (50ft) and then lift >> > the combined tower and wind generator. This plan hasn't been >> > finalized, however. >> > >> > -Jim >> > >> > James Jarvis wrote: >> >> Hi Dick and Group, >> >> >> >> The tower raising got pushed back a day. It is now happening tomorrow >> >> and potentially Thursday. >> >> >> >> My house is 0.3 miles north of Fremont. Coming from Winona, take the >> >> Lewiston exit off of I-90. Go south on county road 29. It will curve >> >> to the right (west). Follow that road about 1 mile to Fremont. Turn >> >> right at the first opprotunity (across from the Fremont Store). I >> >> will be third "house" on the left. >> >> >> >> You can reach me on my cell at 507-312-4437. >> >> >> >> I would imagine activity will start around 9AM tomorrow and conclude >> >> at dark. >> >> >> >> Activity at hand: using gin pole to erect 120 foot tower and install >> >> wind generator on top. The manufacturer of the wind generator and the >> >> tower will be directing the operation and running it as a training >> >> class for a handful of their customers. >> >> >> >> Any and all are welcome to come out and watch, but I am NOT asking >> >> for volunteer labor to erect the tower. >> >> >> >> -Jim >> >> >> >> Dick Lindner wrote: >> >>> Could someone please provide driving directions to the site of the >> >>> grand tower raising? >> >>> >> >>> Dick W0RIF >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> WARC mailing list >> >>> WARC@lists.w0ne.org >> >>> http://lists.w0ne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/warc >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> > Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.14.1/2407 - Release Date: 10/01/09 >> > 06:34:00 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WARC mailing list >> WARC@lists.w0ne.org >> http://lists.w0ne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/warc > > > > -- > Mr. Clare Jarvis > President, Jarvis Computer Software > PO Box 1264 > Winona, MN 5598707264 > > (507) 454-2575 > _______________________________________________ > WARC mailing list > WARC@lists.w0ne.org > http://lists.w0ne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/warc > From Litvan at acegroup.cc Thu Oct 1 17:29:23 2009 From: Litvan at acegroup.cc (Len Litvan) Date: Thu Oct 1 17:29:35 2009 Subject: [WARC] James' tower raising In-Reply-To: <200910011206.45222.jarvis@jarviscomputer.com> References: <4AC227D2.5030408@hbci.com> <4AC4ADC7.1040106@aprsworld.com> <4AC4DB1A.4060800@galesvillefiredepartment.org> <200910011206.45222.jarvis@jarviscomputer.com> Message-ID: <4AC4E6F3.4000203@acegroup.cc> Clare, Thanks for the pics. I look forward to seeing it all when it's up and = running. Work safely! 73, Len Clare Jarvis wrote: > All, > > here is a link to a folder with some pictures. Unfortunately I was pull= ed from the > this area to prep the tail. > > > Clare > > > http://goldeneye.jarviscomputer.com/clare/tower/ > > > > > > > On Thursday 01 October 2009 11:38:50 Tom Peterson wrote: > = >> I would love to see some pictures of this when it's all done. >> >> James Jarvis wrote: >> = >>> Update: >>> >>> We ran into some technical difficulities while erecting the tower >>> yesterday. The guy wires were too short. New guy wires are being >>> manufactured as I write this. If the wind is low enough, we will use a >>> crane tomorrow to take down the tower sections up (50ft) and then lift >>> the combined tower and wind generator. This plan hasn't been >>> finalized, however. >>> >>> -Jim >>> >>> James Jarvis wrote: >>> = >>>> Hi Dick and Group, >>>> >>>> The tower raising got pushed back a day. It is now happening tomorrow >>>> and potentially Thursday. >>>> >>>> My house is 0.3 miles north of Fremont. Coming from Winona, take the >>>> Lewiston exit off of I-90. Go south on county road 29. It will curve >>>> to the right (west). Follow that road about 1 mile to Fremont. Turn >>>> right at the first opprotunity (across from the Fremont Store). I >>>> will be third "house" on the left. >>>> >>>> You can reach me on my cell at 507-312-4437. >>>> >>>> I would imagine activity will start around 9AM tomorrow and conclude >>>> at dark. >>>> >>>> Activity at hand: using gin pole to erect 120 foot tower and install >>>> wind generator on top. The manufacturer of the wind generator and the >>>> tower will be directing the operation and running it as a training >>>> class for a handful of their customers. >>>> >>>> Any and all are welcome to come out and watch, but I am NOT asking >>>> for volunteer labor to erect the tower. >>>> >>>> -Jim >>>> >>>> Dick Lindner wrote: >>>> = >>>>> Could someone please provide driving directions to the site of the >>>>> grand tower raising? >>>>> >>>>> Dick W0RIF >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> WARC mailing list >>>>> WARC@lists.w0ne.org >>>>> http://lists.w0ne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/warc >>>>> = >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.14.1/2407 - Release Date: 10/01/= 09 >>> 06:34:00 >>> = >> _______________________________________________ >> WARC mailing list >> WARC@lists.w0ne.org >> http://lists.w0ne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/warc >> = > > > > = > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com = > Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.14.1/2407 - Release Date: 10/01/09= 06:34:00 > > = -------------- next part -------------- Skipped content of type multipart/alternative From tom at galesvillefiredepartment.org Fri Oct 2 01:55:59 2009 From: tom at galesvillefiredepartment.org (Tom Peterson) Date: Fri Oct 2 01:56:10 2009 Subject: [WARC] James' tower raising In-Reply-To: <200910011206.45222.jarvis@jarviscomputer.com> References: <4AC227D2.5030408@hbci.com> <4AC4ADC7.1040106@aprsworld.com> <4AC4DB1A.4060800@galesvillefiredepartment.org> <200910011206.45222.jarvis@jarviscomputer.com> Message-ID: <4AC55DAF.30404@galesvillefiredepartment.org> Clare- Thanks for sharing the pics. I always enjoy seeing others tower projects. One of these days I'm going to put mine up and it helps in the planning to see what others have done. 73 Tom KC9ECI Clare Jarvis wrote: > All, > > here is a link to a folder with some pictures. Unfortunately I was pulled from the > this area to prep the tail. > > > Clare > > > http://goldeneye.jarviscomputer.com/clare/tower/ > > > > > > > On Thursday 01 October 2009 11:38:50 Tom Peterson wrote: > >> I would love to see some pictures of this when it's all done. >> >> James Jarvis wrote: >> >>> Update: >>> >>> We ran into some technical difficulities while erecting the tower >>> yesterday. The guy wires were too short. New guy wires are being >>> manufactured as I write this. If the wind is low enough, we will use a >>> crane tomorrow to take down the tower sections up (50ft) and then lift >>> the combined tower and wind generator. This plan hasn't been >>> finalized, however. >>> >>> -Jim >>> >>> James Jarvis wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Dick and Group, >>>> >>>> The tower raising got pushed back a day. It is now happening tomorrow >>>> and potentially Thursday. >>>> >>>> My house is 0.3 miles north of Fremont. Coming from Winona, take the >>>> Lewiston exit off of I-90. Go south on county road 29. It will curve >>>> to the right (west). Follow that road about 1 mile to Fremont. Turn >>>> right at the first opprotunity (across from the Fremont Store). I >>>> will be third "house" on the left. >>>> >>>> You can reach me on my cell at 507-312-4437. >>>> >>>> I would imagine activity will start around 9AM tomorrow and conclude >>>> at dark. >>>> >>>> Activity at hand: using gin pole to erect 120 foot tower and install >>>> wind generator on top. The manufacturer of the wind generator and the >>>> tower will be directing the operation and running it as a training >>>> class for a handful of their customers. >>>> >>>> Any and all are welcome to come out and watch, but I am NOT asking >>>> for volunteer labor to erect the tower. >>>> >>>> -Jim >>>> >>>> Dick Lindner wrote: >>>> >>>>> Could someone please provide driving directions to the site of the >>>>> grand tower raising? >>>>> >>>>> Dick W0RIF >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> WARC mailing list >>>>> WARC@lists.w0ne.org >>>>> http://lists.w0ne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/warc >>>>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.14.1/2407 - Release Date: 10/01/09 >>> 06:34:00 >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> WARC mailing list >> WARC@lists.w0ne.org >> http://lists.w0ne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/warc >> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.14.1/2407 - Release Date: 10/01/09 06:34:00 > > From jj at aprsworld.com Fri Oct 2 02:34:24 2009 From: jj at aprsworld.com (James Jarvis) Date: Fri Oct 2 02:34:52 2009 Subject: [WARC] James' tower raising In-Reply-To: <4AC55DAF.30404@galesvillefiredepartment.org> References: <4AC227D2.5030408@hbci.com> <4AC4ADC7.1040106@aprsworld.com> <4AC4DB1A.4060800@galesvillefiredepartment.org> <200910011206.45222.jarvis@jarviscomputer.com> <4AC55DAF.30404@galesvillefiredepartment.org> Message-ID: <4AC566B0.7010808@aprsworld.com> Tom Peterson wrote: > Clare- > > Thanks for sharing the pics. I always enjoy seeing others tower > projects. One of these days I'm going to put mine up and it helps in > the planning to see what others have done. Hi Tom and Group, Note that this tower and associated rigging is heavier than would normally be encountered in amateur radio service. Each 10 foot section weighs about 250 pounds. The legs are solid 1 1/4 structural steel. The face width is 18". The gin pole Clare posted pictures of does double duty raising the 250 pound tower sections and lifting the 1000+ pound turbine and blades onto the tower. I think Rohn 25G gin pole and associated gear would be less intimidating and expensive! If the weather cooperates, we will finishing the install tomorrow morning. The crane arrives at 7AM. We will take down the existing 50 feet as a unit. Bolt it to the already assembly next 70 feet. Slide the tower over slightly and then bolt the turbine in blades in place. Then the crane lifts at the 100 foot level and sets it in place. Guy wires are attached to the guy points and tensioned, then someone goes up the tower and disconnects the crane. At that point the crane is done and further comissioning is mainly done at ground level. In the near future, I will be installing a safety climb device on the tower. This is a permanently installed steel cable that goes up one face. A cam/slider is fitted to that cable. It allows unrestricted up movement, but locks in place in the event of sudden down movement. -Jim > > 73 > Tom > KC9ECI > > Clare Jarvis wrote: >> All, >> >> here is a link to a folder with some pictures. Unfortunately I was >> pulled from the >> this area to prep the tail. >> >> >> Clare >> >> >> http://goldeneye.jarviscomputer.com/clare/tower/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thursday 01 October 2009 11:38:50 Tom Peterson wrote: >> >>> I would love to see some pictures of this when it's all done. >>> >>> James Jarvis wrote: >>> >>>> Update: >>>> >>>> We ran into some technical difficulities while erecting the tower >>>> yesterday. The guy wires were too short. New guy wires are being >>>> manufactured as I write this. If the wind is low enough, we will use a >>>> crane tomorrow to take down the tower sections up (50ft) and then lift >>>> the combined tower and wind generator. This plan hasn't been >>>> finalized, however. >>>> >>>> -Jim >>>> >>>> James Jarvis wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Dick and Group, >>>>> >>>>> The tower raising got pushed back a day. It is now happening tomorrow >>>>> and potentially Thursday. >>>>> >>>>> My house is 0.3 miles north of Fremont. Coming from Winona, take the >>>>> Lewiston exit off of I-90. Go south on county road 29. It will curve >>>>> to the right (west). Follow that road about 1 mile to Fremont. Turn >>>>> right at the first opprotunity (across from the Fremont Store). I >>>>> will be third "house" on the left. >>>>> >>>>> You can reach me on my cell at 507-312-4437. >>>>> >>>>> I would imagine activity will start around 9AM tomorrow and conclude >>>>> at dark. >>>>> >>>>> Activity at hand: using gin pole to erect 120 foot tower and install >>>>> wind generator on top. The manufacturer of the wind generator and the >>>>> tower will be directing the operation and running it as a training >>>>> class for a handful of their customers. >>>>> >>>>> Any and all are welcome to come out and watch, but I am NOT asking >>>>> for volunteer labor to erect the tower. >>>>> >>>>> -Jim >>>>> >>>>> Dick Lindner wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Could someone please provide driving directions to the site of the >>>>>> grand tower raising? >>>>>> >>>>>> Dick W0RIF >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> WARC mailing list >>>>>> WARC@lists.w0ne.org >>>>>> http://lists.w0ne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/warc >>>>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>> Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.14.1/2407 - Release Date: >>>> 10/01/09 >>>> 06:34:00 >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WARC mailing list >>> WARC@lists.w0ne.org >>> http://lists.w0ne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/warc >>> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: >> 270.14.1/2407 - Release Date: 10/01/09 06:34:00 >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > WARC mailing list > WARC@lists.w0ne.org > http://lists.w0ne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/warc -- -James Jefferson Jarvis APRS World, LLC +1-507-454-2727 www.aprsworld.com From jimcarroll at pobox.com Fri Oct 2 02:41:30 2009 From: jimcarroll at pobox.com (James Carroll) Date: Fri Oct 2 02:41:34 2009 Subject: [WARC] James' tower raising In-Reply-To: <4AC566B0.7010808@aprsworld.com> References: <4AC227D2.5030408@hbci.com> <4AC4ADC7.1040106@aprsworld.com> <4AC4DB1A.4060800@galesvillefiredepartment.org> <200910011206.45222.jarvis@jarviscomputer.com> <4AC55DAF.30404@galesvillefiredepartment.org> <4AC566B0.7010808@aprsworld.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 9:34 PM, James Jarvis wrote: > > > In the near future, I will be installing a safety climb device on the > tower. This is a permanently installed steel cable that goes up one face.= A > cam/slider is fitted to that cable. It allows unrestricted up movement, b= ut > locks in place in the event of sudden down movement. > Russ Marsolek would call that a really heavy-duty Prussik. Jim KB0LZ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.w0ne.org/pipermail/warc/attachments/20091001/6f136343/att= achment.htm From sprinkies at excel.net Wed Oct 7 15:56:50 2009 From: sprinkies at excel.net (Todd Sprinkmann) Date: Wed Oct 7 15:56:21 2009 Subject: [WARC] 144.240 and .250 nets + 432 sprint tonight Message-ID: Tonight is the 432 Fall Sprint from 7-11pm. I hope to work all of you who care enough to get on. If you concentrate on 144, then know that WB9LYH is calling TWO nets tonight from EN54cl. As usual, he's taking the 144.240 net from 0015-0130Z. He starts out looking south toward IL and MO at 0015, and then slowly edges clockwise with 500 watts and stacked 17B2's. Still waiting for our first Dakotas, Nebraska or Kansas check-ins to Mark. EN36/37, plus VE-land and the U.P. of MI is within range, too. WB9LYH is also taking the 144.250 Badger Contesters net tonight. That net starts at 0130Z with him looking south, then swinging the beams clockwise. So you have lots of radio opportunities tonight. I want you to consider using this computer chat for VHF/UHF activity. Several of us have been using it the past two weeks, with no problems at all. It's a simple process to sign up. The 7 steps are at my website. http://kc9bqa.com/?p=1072 If dozens of us get on board with this chat, you will be better able to follow the action during the nets and band openings. This is the same chat that hundreds of USA and VE 6m DX'ers have been enjoying for years now. I will be there tonight in the chat, sharing what I'm hearing out from WB9LYH with the nets. You can also use helpers in the sprints, so I'll talk about how I'm doing on 432. It should be fun, and I hope you'll join in. 73, Todd KC9BQA EN63ao 40 N of Milwaukee http://www.kc9bqa.com For Frequent VHF/UHF Updat From sprinkies at excel.net Wed Oct 7 18:10:18 2009 From: sprinkies at excel.net (Todd Sprinkmann) Date: Wed Oct 7 18:09:48 2009 Subject: [WARC] Other VHF/UHF activity you can hear Message-ID: <9F69E67C095C49DB977D99F0BB5CEDB6@sprinkma35adeb> I periodically send out reminders about other planned VHF/UHF activity that is within your reach. I made two such posts to the website earlier today. If you're interested, go to the 2nd and 3rd posts down on the main page. There's activity on Sunday, Monday, Wednesday and Thursday evenings. It's all spelled out on the website posts dated Oct. 7th. 73, Todd KC9BQA EN63ao 40 N of Milwaukee http://www.kc9bqa.com For Frequent VHF/UHF Updates From Litvan at acegroup.cc Thu Oct 8 14:35:15 2009 From: Litvan at acegroup.cc (Len Litvan) Date: Thu Oct 8 14:35:34 2009 Subject: [WARC] Winona Amateur Radio Club - October Program - Thursday, October 15 Message-ID: <4ACDF8A3.6060006@acegroup.cc> Hello all, The October program of the Winona Amateur Radio club will feature information regarding tower erection provided by Jim Jarvis, KB0THN, based on his personal experience erecting a 120 foot tower earlier this month. Use of a gin pole will be covered along with other lessons learned. Jim will also share his experience about designing and using off-grid electrical power systems. The program will be at the Winona County Courthouse Annex on Thursday, October 15, beginning at 7:00 PM. I look forward to seeing you there! 73, Len KC0RSX From tom at galesvillefiredepartment.org Thu Oct 8 21:36:33 2009 From: tom at galesvillefiredepartment.org (Tom Peterson) Date: Thu Oct 8 21:37:06 2009 Subject: [WARC] WINMOR--A New HF Transmission Protocol Message-ID: <4ACE5B61.2060709@galesvillefiredepartment.org> http://www.winlink.org/WINMOR I've been testing this with some folks on HF for a few days now. I'm really inclined to think that it might be a useful tool to have available for passing traffic during an emergency situation. i.e., when the food processing plant was burning and people were being evacuated to shelters, some of the more sensitive information could have been transmitted via this protocol. While not encrypted, it would have granted a measure of privacy and left the receiving end with something that could be printed out to a hardcopy or forwarded elsewhere by normal email In any event, it's something worth thinking about and perhaps getting together with a few locals on VHF and testing. From tom at galesvillefiredepartment.org Fri Oct 9 19:59:39 2009 From: tom at galesvillefiredepartment.org (Tom Peterson) Date: Fri Oct 9 19:59:53 2009 Subject: [WARC] Oscilloscope Message-ID: <4ACF962B.4080202@galesvillefiredepartment.org> A while back I had started a discussion about learning to use an oscilloscope. That sort of fizzled out as I recall. I recently found a series of short tutorials on youtube. The first one is at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIfo_-d82Co You should be able to find more once you've finished with that one. From Litvan at acegroup.cc Sat Oct 10 03:02:25 2009 From: Litvan at acegroup.cc (Len Litvan) Date: Sat Oct 10 03:02:34 2009 Subject: [WARC] Railroad Assistance Tomorrow? Message-ID: <4ACFF941.8030609@acegroup.cc> Hello Erik, Is any more assistance needed for the railroad event tomorrow? I will be in Winona early in the morning (breakfast at McDonalds west) and then working on preparing for the Central United Methodist Church dinner and concert Saturday evening. Have been out of the area on business travel this week, but if there is an urgent need for additional hams to help tomorrow, I could change my plans regarding preparing the house for winter and help on the station platform. If more help is needed, please specify time and location. Please let me know if additional hams are needed. We want to see this event to be a success and nobody injured. 73, Len KC0RSX From ewbrom at hbci.com Sat Oct 10 13:55:00 2009 From: ewbrom at hbci.com (Erik Brom) Date: Sat Oct 10 13:55:19 2009 Subject: [WARC] Railroad Assistance Tomorrow? Message-ID: <20091010135507.525B627824D@mail.hbci.com> We have a pretty good crew set up. Additional "walk-in" help could be used but its not required. Thanks for checking. Erik -----Original Message----- From: Len Litvan Subj: [WARC] Railroad Assistance Tomorrow? Date: Fri Oct 9, 2009 10:02 pm Size: 814 bytes To: W0NE Listserv Hello Erik, Is any more assistance needed for the railroad event tomorrow? I will be in Winona early in the morning (breakfast at McDonalds west) and then working on preparing for the Central United Methodist Church dinner and concert Saturday evening. Have been out of the area on business travel this week, but if there is an urgent need for additional hams to help tomorrow, I could change my plans regarding preparing the house for winter and help on the station platform. If more help is needed, please specify time and location. Please let me know if additional hams are needed. We want to see this event to be a success and nobody injured. 73, Len KC0RSX _______________________________________________ WARC mailing list WARC@lists.w0ne.org http://lists.w0ne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/warc From jarvis at jarviscomputer.com Mon Oct 12 20:51:28 2009 From: jarvis at jarviscomputer.com (Clare Jarvis) Date: Mon Oct 12 20:51:46 2009 Subject: [WARC] Interesting use of radio waves. Message-ID: <200910121551.28773.jarvis@jarviscomputer.com> http://www.rdmag.com/News/Feeds/2009/10/information-tech-raww.rdmag.com/News/Feeds/2009dio-www.rdmag.com/News/Feeds/2009aves-see-through-walls/?wnnvz=cIpb87iV1KLyO8vb -- Mr. Clare Jarvis President, Jarvis Computer Software PO Box 1264 Winona, MN 5598707264 (507) 454-2575 From Litvan at acegroup.cc Tue Oct 13 01:01:05 2009 From: Litvan at acegroup.cc (Len Litvan) Date: Tue Oct 13 01:01:18 2009 Subject: [WARC] SKCC - Silent Key Casket Club???? Message-ID: <4AD3D151.3010400@acegroup.cc> Folks, please keep up on an proposed activity of the SKCC this month. SKCC normally means Straight Key Century Club, founded by Tom KC9ECI in Galesville as a fun mechanical key operating group. It is now about 5,920 members strong (in three years and ten months of existence). Well, there is now a proposal to have a casual operating event on Oct 31, a Silent Key Casket Club (SKCC) event with "BOO" as part of the exchange. Ya gotta love the CW guys. :-D 73, Len KC0RSX From sprinkies at excel.net Wed Oct 14 15:24:47 2009 From: sprinkies at excel.net (Todd Sprinkmann) Date: Wed Oct 14 15:24:27 2009 Subject: [WARC] 144 SSB nets *ON* tonight + real-time chat now in use Message-ID: Two net options now every Wednesday. You want to read below about the nifty chat feature I'm now using. If you want to hear a loud signal from EN54, Wood Co., near Wisconsin Rapids, then the 144.240 net with WB9LYH is at 7:15pm. If Mark is ever unable to make it, I will pick it up. At 8:30pm on 144.250, I call the Badger Contesters net. All are welcome. The purpose of these nets or activity periods is to stir up action on less-used portions of 2 meters. I'm using a great chat page where you can keep track of the nets in real-time. Any licensed amateur can sign up, and for those who are mildly curious, but a little hesitant to actually get on the air, it's a great learning opportunity to hang out in chat. Lurkers are welcome. I have been in this chat on net nights for several weeks now and I'm enjoying it more and more. Great way to coordinate activity between net control and stations across the compass. The chat at www.on4kst.com is free, no-strings-attached. Thousands of hams have been using it for years now. Especially on 6 meters. It's time to put it to use for the higher bands. 7 simple steps to get signed up are on my website at: http://kc9bqa.com/?p=1072 Hope to see you in chat and on the air tonight. I should be in there about 6:30-7pm. 73, Todd KC9BQA EN63 40 N of Milwaukee http://www.kc9bqa.com For Frequent VHF/UHF Updates From Litvan at acegroup.cc Thu Oct 15 00:56:08 2009 From: Litvan at acegroup.cc (Len Litvan) Date: Thu Oct 15 00:56:21 2009 Subject: [WARC] WARC Monthly Program Thursday Evening Message-ID: <4AD67328.9000000@acegroup.cc> Hello all, Hope to see you all at the WARC program Thursday evening. Jim KB0THN has what I believe will be a very interesting program! See W0NE website for info. See you then. 73, Len KC0RSX From Litvan at acegroup.cc Thu Oct 15 01:04:11 2009 From: Litvan at acegroup.cc (Len Litvan) Date: Thu Oct 15 01:04:25 2009 Subject: [WARC] Amateur Radio Technician Course Coming Up Message-ID: <4AD6750B.2000507@acegroup.cc> Hello all, This is just advance notice that the Winona Amateur Radio Club will again be sponsoring a Technician Class licensing course in early 2010. The course will run from mid January to mid March and will be followed by a license testing session. Please be sure to let anyone who might be interested in obtaining their amateur radio license know about the upcoming course. Details will be posted as a news item on the club website as they are firmed up. If anyone has questions, please feel free to contact me at KC0RSX@arrl.net or by phone at (507) 643-6057. Sincerely & 73, Len KC0RSX From Litvan at acegroup.cc Fri Oct 16 03:12:48 2009 From: Litvan at acegroup.cc (Len Litvan) Date: Fri Oct 16 03:12:55 2009 Subject: [WARC] WARC Meeting Tonight Message-ID: <4AD7E4B0.3070605@acegroup.cc> Thanks to Jim KB0THN for the very interesting and informative program about the experience in erecting a 120 ft. tower for the wind turbine at his home. VERY interesting.... Thirteen participants tonight and lots of good discussion and socializing. I liked it a lot. Some points raised during the session: - The group asked the organizers of the Technician Class course to consider integrating a student/club activity into the curriculum--perhaps a fox hunt. Will do. - Work on the 835 repeater repair is proceeding--new controller packaging, CTCSS now mandatory, and other items. Target to be back in operation in abt six weeks. - Suggestion to promote Technician Class course through technical programs in WSU, SMU, other institutions. Good idea and will work into the promotion plan. - Discussion on "Soft Rock" transceiver kits - software defined radios in kit form for about $100 each. Working toward a club program and/or activity to delve into software defined radio on a shoestring. Cool! Have a good week end, all. Check out the Coast Guard Auxiliary special event this Saturday. There are over 20 stations listed on the QST special event page. I will buy breakfast for the three club members with the highest number of stations contacted--stations and modes (i.e., one station contacted by phone and by CW is two points). Multiple ops at one location, one rig, qualify same as an individual op (i.e., three ops working together on one rig could take it all and eat well!). 73, Len KC0RSX From Litvan at acegroup.cc Tue Oct 20 15:50:10 2009 From: Litvan at acegroup.cc (Len Litvan) Date: Tue Oct 20 15:50:13 2009 Subject: [WARC] FREE BREAKFAST - Coast Guard Auxiliary Special Event Stations - Oct. 17 Message-ID: <4ADDDC32.2000403@acegroup.cc> Hello all, So far, only one club member has given me a "score" -- four QSOs. See below. Anyone else? I hate to think that one person might get three free breakfasts (hi, hi). Due to a conflict this Saturday morning, it will be the following Saturday before I can pay up -- October 31 at the Timbers. (I am helping bake 100 apple pies this Saturday morning for the Central United Methodist Church's Lumberjack Stew to be held on Wednesday the 28th at noon. Public invited. All you can eat, including fresh apple pie, for $6.50 a person.) 73, Len KC0RSX .... Have a good week end, all. Check out the Coast Guard Auxiliary special event this Saturday. There are over 20 stations listed on the QST special event page. I will buy breakfast for the three club members with the highest number of stations contacted--stations and modes (i.e., one station contacted by phone and by CW is two points). Multiple ops at one location, one rig, qualify same as an individual op (i.e., three ops working together on one rig could take it all and eat well!). 73, Len KC0RSX From sprinkies at excel.net Wed Oct 21 18:47:41 2009 From: sprinkies at excel.net (Todd Sprinkmann) Date: Wed Oct 21 18:48:11 2009 Subject: [WARC] 144.240 and 144.250 SSB nets *ON* tonight Message-ID: <910B9B617F684266B5BC5E6425D9FDDF@sprinkma35adeb> Friendly reminder that the weekly Wed. SSB nets are *ON* tonight. A full update was just posted to my website. There's more detailed info there, so check it out. Make time for the 6m (50MHz) Fall Sprint this Sat. evening, from 6-10pm local time. Plenty should be on for this one, and I look forward to working you. Spread the word. Questions or comments, just email. 73, Todd KC9BQA EN63 40 N of Milwaukee http://www.kc9bqa.com For Frequent VHF/UHF Updates From sprinkies at excel.net Sat Oct 24 13:03:34 2009 From: sprinkies at excel.net (Todd Sprinkmann) Date: Sat Oct 24 13:04:01 2009 Subject: [WARC] 6m sprint tonight -- 6-10pm Message-ID: <244B714135AF44D7B9C831D75DED8E3F@sprinkma35adeb> Last reminder about the 6m Fall Sprint tonight. http://svhfs.org/fall_sprint_rules_2009.pdf I'll be on, but don't let that stop you from participating. :) I'm also going to be in the www.on4kst.com chat. The option to use for 6m chatting is "50 MHz IARU Region 2". This is the same chat we're putting to good use during 222 Tuesdays and the 144 SSB nets on Wednesdays. On those nights, you want to use the "144/432 MHz" room. If you missed the 144 net reports from Wed., they are now up on the website. Between WB9LYH and I, we rounded up 37-38 check-ins with the 2 nets. This was on a rainy night with flat propagation. Thanks to all the check-ins. It sure is fun to see 144 alive across a wide area. See you on 50 MHz tonight, 73, Todd KC9BQA EN63ao 40 N of Milwaukee http://www.kc9bqa.com For Frequent VHF/UHF Updates From sprinkies at excel.net Tue Oct 27 12:50:15 2009 From: sprinkies at excel.net (Todd Sprinkmann) Date: Tue Oct 27 12:50:47 2009 Subject: [WARC] 222 Tuesday is *ON* tonight Message-ID: <9239E7D277B94B238292C162FABEF36A@sprinkma35adeb> 222 Tuesday is tonight, for everyone across the USA. It's a general activity night, like Tuesday used to be for 222. Get on/near 222.100 SSB and 223.500 FM. Call CQ plenty, swing beams, look around. Do this from roughly 0000-0300Z. Spread the word in your area. This only works well if many get on from various regions. Consider using this chat to better keep track of activity in various areas: www.on4kst.com. This is the same free, no-obligation chat 1000's of 6 meter guys have been using for years. It's time to put it to use on 144, 222 and 432. If you check into the 144/432 MHz room at www.on4kst.com tonight, you will immediately see dozens of callsigns and grid squares on the right. Singing up is so simple, even I can do it. I have the 7 steps listed at http://kc9bqa.com/?p=1072 Everyone enjoy 222 Tuesday tonight. I should be in the chat room about 0000Z. I am also always in the chat on Wed. nights in conjunction with our 144 SSB nets we call from WI. We had 25 VHF'ers stop by last Wed. and it really helped coordinate the 144 activity across a wide region. 73, Todd KC9BQA EN63ao 40 N of Milwaukee http://www.kc9bqa.com For Frequent VHF/UHF Updates From sprinkies at excel.net Wed Oct 28 14:46:35 2009 From: sprinkies at excel.net (Todd Sprinkmann) Date: Wed Oct 28 14:47:08 2009 Subject: [WARC] I have both 144 nets tonight Message-ID: Friendly reminder about the 144.240 and 144.250 SSB nets tonight at 7:15pm and 8:30pm. WB9LYH is NOT available tonight, so I'm calling both nets from EN63. 222 Tuesday was fun last night. Good activity on a pleasant evening. I'm pressed for time, so I refer you to my website, if you want more details about who I worked on 222, or for more details about tonight's 144 nets. Even if you're just mildly curious, you are more than welcome to join the www.on4kst.com chat. I assure you it's free and no obligation. More are joining each week, and I will be in there tonight about 0000Z or 7pm, as I update the nets in real-time. 7 simple steps for signing up are at: http://kc9bqa.com/?p=1072 73, Todd KC9BQA EN63ao 40 N of Milwaukee http://www.kc9bqa.com For Frequent VHF/UHF Updates From jimb at wenonah.com Fri Oct 30 12:35:37 2009 From: jimb at wenonah.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri Oct 30 12:30:57 2009 Subject: [WARC] EComm is Changing Message-ID: <82953C93C297403FAF2A1E88ED3E8DF5@cankay.local> Below is from Amateur Radio Newsline. RENFORCEMENT: HAM EXPLAINS WHY HES QUITTING EMMCOMM AT WORK A ham who posted on an Internet website that he had assisted in an emergency communications drill at work has come forward to explain why he was contacted about his action by FCC ham radio rules enforcer Laura Smith. Amateur Radio Newsline's Norm Seeley, KI7UP, has more: In his posting to the QRZ.com website, Jeffery Casselberry, W0WLS, says that last July he volunteered to take part in a state sanctioned communication drill which was backed by the Missouri Hospital Association. At that time he was the only licensed amateur in the facility so he said yes. According to Casselberry this drill took place during business hours while he was on the clock. He explained that he had built the amateur station for the hospital and with it the facility better than most in communicating locally and to the state capital. W0WLS went on to say that he was so thrilled about the drills success that what he made what he terms as the mistake of posting his excitement on the QRZ website. Someone who read it decided to cut and paste his comments and send them off to the FCC. As a result, W0WLS says that he received an informal email from the FCC's Smith acknowledging his violation and requesting a response. Casselberry says that he responded to Smith and explained in detail the events of his alleged violation. Smith responded with the following e-mail which reads as follows and we quote: "Jeff: Again, just so we are clear, Section 97.113 (a)(3) of the Commission's rules specifically states that "no amateur station shall transmit: communications in which the station licensee or control operator has a pecuniary interest, including communications on behalf of an employer." This means that if you are an employee of the hospital you may not operate the amateur equipment on their behalf even after hours or while you are on a break. The operation of the amateur equipment must be conducted strictly by volunteers." -- end quote. Casselberry went on to say that he does not want to become a poster child for some emergency communications cause on QRZ.com. He says that he is done with this type of ham radio activity and it will never happen again. He's even gone so far as to tell his employer that he is done with this type of radio activity and will take no further part in it's emergency communications program. W0WLS ends by noting that he is a hobbyist and don't need this sort of turmoil in my life. As such, he will make no further comments on this issue. Jim Brown N0WE -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.w0ne.org/pipermail/warc/attachments/20091030/0cd2dd81/attachment.htm From jimb at wenonah.com Fri Oct 30 12:43:20 2009 From: jimb at wenonah.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri Oct 30 12:38:43 2009 Subject: [WARC] Petition Filed With FCC Message-ID: <7A418FD7738C4A3BA4EC1CB45DF27B85@cankay.local> Below is a petition filed with the FCC. Petition filed to change 97.113(a) (6) Transmissions necessary for disaster relief or emergency response, including training exercises, planning, drills or tests, without regard to whether the amateur operator has related employment, where the transmissions are for the exclusive use of amateur radio operators for noncommercial purposes. Jim Brown N0WE -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.w0ne.org/pipermail/warc/attachments/20091030/47cac750/attachment.htm From jimcarroll at pobox.com Fri Oct 30 12:44:18 2009 From: jimcarroll at pobox.com (James Carroll) Date: Fri Oct 30 12:44:25 2009 Subject: [WARC] EComm is Changing In-Reply-To: <82953C93C297403FAF2A1E88ED3E8DF5@cankay.local> References: <82953C93C297403FAF2A1E88ED3E8DF5@cankay.local> Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 7:35 AM, Jim Brown wrote: . > Casselberry [...] says that he is done > with this type of ham radio activity and it will never happen again. He's > even gone so far as to tell his employer that he is done with this type of > radio activity and will take no further part in it's emergency > communications program. > > W0WLS ends by noting that he is a hobbyist and don't need this sort of > turmoil in my life. As such, he will make no further comments on this issue. No good deed goes unpunished. Jim KB0LZ From jarvis at jarviscomputer.com Fri Oct 30 13:36:10 2009 From: jarvis at jarviscomputer.com (Clare Jarvis) Date: Fri Oct 30 13:36:27 2009 Subject: [WARC] EComm is Changing In-Reply-To: References: <82953C93C297403FAF2A1E88ED3E8DF5@cankay.local> Message-ID: <200910300836.10932.jarvis@jarviscomputer.com> This is a slippery slope. I am not opposed to propose rule change but Caaelberry was in violation of the existing rules. If you notice when you go into AES or Ham Radio Outlet where they have stations, the sales staff never helps you in the operation of the demo equipment. That is how it should be. We definately do not want businesses on our frequencies. Clare K0ny On Friday 30 October 2009 07:44:18 James Carroll wrote: > On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 7:35 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > . > > > Casselberry [...] says that he is done > > with this type of ham radio activity and it will never happen again. He's > > even gone so far as to tell his employer that he is done with this type > > of radio activity and will take no further part in it's emergency > > communications program. > > > > W0WLS ends by noting that he is a hobbyist and don't need this sort of > > turmoil in my life. As such, he will make no further comments on this > > issue. > > No good deed goes unpunished. > > Jim KB0LZ > _______________________________________________ > WARC mailing list > WARC@lists.w0ne.org > http://lists.w0ne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/warc -- Mr. Clare Jarvis President, Jarvis Computer Software PO Box 1264 Winona, MN 5598707264 (507) 454-2575 From Litvan at acegroup.cc Fri Oct 30 13:45:27 2009 From: Litvan at acegroup.cc (Len Litvan) Date: Fri Oct 30 13:45:36 2009 Subject: [WARC] EComm is Changing In-Reply-To: <82953C93C297403FAF2A1E88ED3E8DF5@cankay.local> References: <82953C93C297403FAF2A1E88ED3E8DF5@cankay.local> Message-ID: <4AEAEDF7.6070308@acegroup.cc> So I guess this interpretation means that (pertaining to disaster/emergency communications): - A licensed amateur may not transmit on amateur frequencies via a station located in a hospital or other place where she/he is employed (incl. county EOC). - A licensed amateur may not transmit on amateur frequencies via a station other than where she/he is employed while on the clock (e.g., disaster site). [see below] - A licensed amateur who is a paid person on the staff of a relief agency may not transmit on amateur frequencies in relation to an emergency or other relief service related to the agency's activities even when not on the clock (e.g., Red Cross). So, if I am on an emcomm drill or emergency and shadowing a paid person in a participating emergency (e.g., assistant Fire Chief), I can pass my HT to the person and have him/her talk direct to a counterpart in another agency if the person being shadowed by me is not a licensed amateur, but I cannot do it if the person is a licensed amateur? The reference to "station licensee" in the interpretation is also interesting. Who is the "station licensee" of the amateur transmitters in the EOC and other spots around Winona? Do unpaid personnel (first responders, I guess) receive any funding or property for personal use as a part of their volunteer work (equipment, including personal protective equipment, or clothing )? Is this pecuniary interest? Seems like it might be worth while to get a clarification of the interpretation. If you agree, let me know and I will start something--probably through the ARRL (although I am sure they are inundated with requests for clarification already). Thanks Jim, for alerting us on this interpretation. Sincerely & 73, Len KC0RSX President Winona Amateur Radio Club, Inc. Jim Brown wrote: > > Below is from Amateur Radio Newsline. > > > > RENFORCEMENT: HAM EXPLAINS WHY HES QUITTING EMMCOMM AT WORK > > A ham who posted on an Internet website that he had assisted in an > emergency communications drill at work has come forward to explain why > he was contacted about his action by FCC ham radio rules enforcer > Laura Smith. Amateur Radio Newsline's Norm Seeley, KI7UP, has more: > > In his posting to the QRZ.com website, Jeffery Casselberry, W0WLS, > says that last July he volunteered to take part in a state sanctioned > communication drill which was backed by the Missouri Hospital > Association. At that time he was the only licensed amateur in the > facility so he said yes. > > According to Casselberry this drill took place during business hours > while he was on the clock. He explained that he had built the amateur > station for the hospital and with it the facility better than most in > communicating locally and to the state capital. > > W0WLS went on to say that he was so thrilled about the drills success > that what he made what he terms as the mistake of posting his > excitement on the QRZ website. Someone who read it decided to cut and > paste his comments and send them off to the FCC. As a result, W0WLS > says that he received an informal email from the FCC's Smith > acknowledging his violation and requesting a response. > > Casselberry says that he responded to Smith and explained in detail > the events of his alleged violation. Smith responded with the > following e-mail which reads as follows and we quote: > > "Jeff: Again, just so we are clear, Section 97.113 (a)(3) of the > Commission's rules specifically states that "no amateur station shall > transmit: communications in which the station licensee or control > operator has a pecuniary interest, including communications on behalf > of an employer." This means that if you are an employee of the > hospital you may not operate the amateur equipment on their behalf > even after hours or while you are on a break. The operation of the > amateur equipment must be conducted strictly by volunteers." -- end quote. > > Casselberry went on to say that he does not want to become a poster > child for some emergency communications cause on QRZ.com. He says that > he is done with this type of ham radio activity and it will never > happen again. He's even gone so far as to tell his employer that he is > done with this type of radio activity and will take no further part in > it's emergency communications program. > > W0WLS ends by noting that he is a hobbyist and don't need this sort of > turmoil in my life. As such, he will make no further comments on this > issue. > > > > > > /*/Jim Brown/*//*/ N0WE/*/ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > WARC mailing list > WARC@lists.w0ne.org > http://lists.w0ne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/warc > From jbrown at luminet.net Fri Oct 30 14:00:54 2009 From: jbrown at luminet.net (Jim Brown) Date: Fri Oct 30 13:56:22 2009 Subject: [WARC] EComm is Changing In-Reply-To: <200910300836.10932.jarvis@jarviscomputer.com> Message-ID: Clare, I agree. The interesting part of this to me is the fact that said it would be in violation even if the person was on their own time. Jim Brown -----Original Message----- From: warc-bounces@lists.w0ne.org [mailto:warc-bounces@lists.w0ne.org] On Behalf Of Clare Jarvis Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 8:36 AM To: Winona Amateur Radio Club general discussion Subject: Re: [WARC] EComm is Changing This is a slippery slope. I am not opposed to propose rule change but Caaelberry was in violation of the existing rules. If you notice when you go into AES or Ham Radio Outlet where they have stations, the sales staff never helps you in the operation of the demo equipment. That is how it should be. We definately do not want businesses on our frequencies. Clare K0ny On Friday 30 October 2009 07:44:18 James Carroll wrote: > On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 7:35 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > . > > > Casselberry [...] says that he is done > > with this type of ham radio activity and it will never happen again. He's > > even gone so far as to tell his employer that he is done with this type > > of radio activity and will take no further part in it's emergency > > communications program. > > > > W0WLS ends by noting that he is a hobbyist and don't need this sort of > > turmoil in my life. As such, he will make no further comments on this > > issue. > > No good deed goes unpunished. > > Jim KB0LZ > _______________________________________________ > WARC mailing list > WARC@lists.w0ne.org > http://lists.w0ne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/warc -- Mr. Clare Jarvis President, Jarvis Computer Software PO Box 1264 Winona, MN 5598707264 (507) 454-2575 _______________________________________________ WARC mailing list WARC@lists.w0ne.org http://lists.w0ne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/warc From dgoltz at hbci.com Fri Oct 30 14:22:03 2009 From: dgoltz at hbci.com (Daniel L. Goltz) Date: Fri Oct 30 14:22:18 2009 Subject: [WARC] EComm is Changing In-Reply-To: <4AEAEDF7.6070308@acegroup.cc> References: <82953C93C297403FAF2A1E88ED3E8DF5@cankay.local> <4AEAEDF7.6070308@acegroup.cc> Message-ID: <20091030092203.479273b2a69ugfwr@webmail.hbci.com> The issue has huge implications for my participation in drills or emergency response. Dan WK0w Quoting Len Litvan : > So I guess this interpretation means that (pertaining to > disaster/emergency communications): > > - A licensed amateur may not transmit on amateur frequencies via a > station located in a hospital or other place where she/he is > employed (incl. county EOC). > - A licensed amateur may not transmit on amateur frequencies via a > station other than where she/he is employed while on the clock > (e.g., disaster site). [see below] > - A licensed amateur who is a paid person on the staff of a relief > agency may not transmit on amateur frequencies in relation to an > emergency or other relief service related to the agency's activities > even when not on the clock (e.g., Red Cross). > > So, if I am on an emcomm drill or emergency and shadowing a paid > person in a participating emergency (e.g., assistant Fire Chief), I > can pass my HT to the person and have him/her talk direct to a > counterpart in another agency if the person being shadowed by me is > not a licensed amateur, but I cannot do it if the person is a > licensed amateur? > > The reference to "station licensee" in the interpretation is also > interesting. Who is the "station licensee" of the amateur > transmitters in the EOC and other spots around Winona? > > Do unpaid personnel (first responders, I guess) receive any funding > or property for personal use as a part of their volunteer work > (equipment, including personal protective equipment, or clothing )? > Is this pecuniary interest? > > Seems like it might be worth while to get a clarification of the > interpretation. If you agree, let me know and I will start > something--probably through the ARRL (although I am sure they are > inundated with requests for clarification already). > > Thanks Jim, for alerting us on this interpretation. > > Sincerely & 73, > Len KC0RSX > President > Winona Amateur Radio Club, Inc. > > Jim Brown wrote: >> >> Below is from Amateur Radio Newsline. >> >> RENFORCEMENT: HAM EXPLAINS WHY HES QUITTING EMMCOMM AT WORK >> >> A ham who posted on an Internet website that he had assisted in an >> emergency communications drill at work has come forward to explain >> why he was contacted about his action by FCC ham radio rules >> enforcer Laura Smith. Amateur Radio Newsline's Norm Seeley, KI7UP, >> has more: >> >> In his posting to the QRZ.com website, Jeffery Casselberry, W0WLS, >> says that last July he volunteered to take part in a state >> sanctioned communication drill which was backed by the Missouri >> Hospital Association. At that time he was the only licensed amateur >> in the facility so he said yes. >> >> According to Casselberry this drill took place during business >> hours while he was on the clock. He explained that he had built the >> amateur station for the hospital and with it the facility better >> than most in communicating locally and to the state capital. >> >> W0WLS went on to say that he was so thrilled about the drills >> success that what he made what he terms as the mistake of posting >> his excitement on the QRZ website. Someone who read it decided to >> cut and paste his comments and send them off to the FCC. As a >> result, W0WLS says that he received an informal email from the >> FCC's Smith acknowledging his violation and requesting a response. >> >> Casselberry says that he responded to Smith and explained in detail >> the events of his alleged violation. Smith responded with the >> following e-mail which reads as follows and we quote: >> >> "Jeff: Again, just so we are clear, Section 97.113 (a)(3) of the >> Commission's rules specifically states that "no amateur station >> shall transmit: communications in which the station licensee or >> control operator has a pecuniary interest, including communications >> on behalf of an employer." This means that if you are an employee >> of the hospital you may not operate the amateur equipment on their >> behalf even after hours or while you are on a break. The operation >> of the amateur equipment must be conducted strictly by volunteers." >> -- end quote. >> >> Casselberry went on to say that he does not want to become a poster >> child for some emergency communications cause on QRZ.com. He says >> that he is done with this type of ham radio activity and it will >> never happen again. He's even gone so far as to tell his employer >> that he is done with this type of radio activity and will take no >> further part in it's emergency communications program. >> >> W0WLS ends by noting that he is a hobbyist and don't need this sort >> of turmoil in my life. As such, he will make no further comments on >> this issue. >> >> /*/Jim Brown/*//*/ N0WE/*/ >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WARC mailing list >> WARC@lists.w0ne.org >> http://lists.w0ne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/warc >> > _______________________________________________ > WARC mailing list > WARC@lists.w0ne.org > http://lists.w0ne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/warc > Daniel L. Goltz 274 E. 3rd St. Winona, MN 55987 From Litvan at acegroup.cc Fri Oct 30 14:47:58 2009 From: Litvan at acegroup.cc (Len Litvan) Date: Fri Oct 30 14:48:06 2009 Subject: [WARC] EComm is Changing In-Reply-To: <20091030092203.479273b2a69ugfwr@webmail.hbci.com> References: <82953C93C297403FAF2A1E88ED3E8DF5@cankay.local> <4AEAEDF7.6070308@acegroup.cc> <20091030092203.479273b2a69ugfwr@webmail.hbci.com> Message-ID: <4AEAFC9E.1050905@acegroup.cc> Dan, I agree. See the appropriate subparts and sections of Part 97 below. No mention of drills or preparedness. Also the "waiver" of the rules does not apply unless there is "immediate" safety of human life and protection of property--and normal communications are "not available". ?97.403 Safety of life and protection of property. No provision of these rules prevents the use by an amateur station of any means of radiocommunication at its disposal to provide essential communication needs in connection with the immediate safety of human life and immediate protection of property when normal communication systems are not available. .... Len Daniel L. Goltz wrote: > The issue has huge implications for my participation in drills or > emergency response. > Dan WK0w From kc9hdp at gmail.com Fri Oct 30 14:48:28 2009 From: kc9hdp at gmail.com (Larry Worthington) Date: Fri Oct 30 14:48:37 2009 Subject: [WARC] EComm is Changing In-Reply-To: References: <200910300836.10932.jarvis@jarviscomputer.com> Message-ID: <1617d7a40910300748y473d33b5i4f459447e736adfe@mail.gmail.com> The problem with on your own time is labor law does not allow you to volunteer time for your employer. (US Department of Labor). If a person tyred to volunteer for their employer and US Department of Labor found out there would be large fines for the employer. If payroll or HR found out at most places they would end up paying you for it and then implement disciplinary action so as not to be fined by the US Department of Labor. Not to mention the implications with their work comp insurance carrier. Larry KC9HDP On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > Clare, > > I agree. The interesting part of this to me is the fact that said it > would be in violation even if the person was on their own time. > > Jim Brown > > -----Original Message----- > From: warc-bounces@lists.w0ne.org [mailto:warc-bounces@lists.w0ne.org] > On Behalf Of Clare Jarvis > Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 8:36 AM > To: Winona Amateur Radio Club general discussion > Subject: Re: [WARC] EComm is Changing > > This is a slippery slope. ?I am not opposed to propose rule change but > Caaelberry was in violation of the existing rules. ?If you > notice when you go into AES or Ham Radio Outlet where they have > stations, ?the sales staff never helps you in the operation of the > demo equipment. ?That is how it should be. ? We definately do not want > businesses on our frequencies. > > > Clare K0ny > > > On Friday 30 October 2009 07:44:18 James Carroll wrote: >> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 7:35 AM, Jim Brown wrote: >> . >> >> > Casselberry [...] says that he is done >> > with this type of ham radio activity and it will never happen again. > He's >> > even gone so far as to tell his employer that he is done with this > type >> > of radio activity and will take no further part in it's emergency >> > communications program. >> > >> > W0WLS ends by noting that he is a hobbyist and don't need this sort > of >> > turmoil in my life. As such, he will make no further comments on > this >> > issue. >> >> No good deed goes unpunished. >> >> Jim KB0LZ >> _______________________________________________ >> WARC mailing list >> WARC@lists.w0ne.org >> http://lists.w0ne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/warc > > > > -- > Mr. Clare Jarvis > President, Jarvis Computer Software > PO Box 1264 > Winona, MN 5598707264 > > (507) 454-2575 > _______________________________________________ > WARC mailing list > WARC@lists.w0ne.org > http://lists.w0ne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/warc > > > _______________________________________________ > WARC mailing list > WARC@lists.w0ne.org > http://lists.w0ne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/warc > From jarvis at jarviscomputer.com Fri Oct 30 16:06:42 2009 From: jarvis at jarviscomputer.com (Clare Jarvis) Date: Fri Oct 30 16:07:00 2009 Subject: [WARC] EComm is Changing In-Reply-To: <1617d7a40910300748y473d33b5i4f459447e736adfe@mail.gmail.com> References: <200910300836.10932.jarvis@jarviscomputer.com> <1617d7a40910300748y473d33b5i4f459447e736adfe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200910301106.42704.jarvis@jarviscomputer.com> I appreciate Larry's input. If the ecomm center at Winona health is manned by say me K0ny, I gain no financial benefit by operating that station. Does Dan Goltz have a financial gain by operating that station if say the patient may need pharmacuticals and Dan's employers may provide them. I think that link is too tenuous. The wage hour thing may apply but the FCC doesn't care. These are FCC rules and not Dept of Labor Rules. The rule was put in so there would not be any professional amateur radio operators. But the narrow interpretation really binds Red Cross and hospitals. I guess at this point I would tell Red Cross personnel and Bob Builder that if you have a license and you do not get on the air as part of the hobby then surrender the licnese. If you don't have a license then don't get one unless you want to get on the air as part of a hobby. Nothing stops people in either case from building equipment or setting up a station whether licensed or otherwise. If you are a Red Cross volunteer then get a license because you can use the radio because Red Cross is not your job. I run a radio at my employer's office. It is my radio not my employers. Occassionally I operate the radio during time that I normally work. My compensation does not change whether I operate the radio or how long I operate the radio and my employer does not benefit financially. Therefore any time I am on the air I don't think I am in violation. I don't think that situation is any different than an astronaut on the international space station. or a trucker in a company rig with his own radio installed. de K0ny On Friday 30 October 2009 09:48:28 Larry Worthington wrote: > The problem with on your own time is labor law does not allow you to > volunteer time for your employer. (US Department of Labor). If a > person tyred to volunteer for their employer and US Department of > Labor found out there would be large fines for the employer. If > payroll or HR found out at most places they would end up paying you > for it and then implement disciplinary action so as not to be fined by > the US Department of Labor. Not to mention the implications with > their work comp insurance carrier. > > Larry > KC9HDP > > On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > > Clare, > > > > I agree. The interesting part of this to me is the fact that said it > > would be in violation even if the person was on their own time. > > > > Jim Brown > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: warc-bounces@lists.w0ne.org [mailto:warc-bounces@lists.w0ne.org] > > On Behalf Of Clare Jarvis > > Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 8:36 AM > > To: Winona Amateur Radio Club general discussion > > Subject: Re: [WARC] EComm is Changing > > > > This is a slippery slope. ?I am not opposed to propose rule change but > > Caaelberry was in violation of the existing rules. ?If you > > notice when you go into AES or Ham Radio Outlet where they have > > stations, ?the sales staff never helps you in the operation of the > > demo equipment. ?That is how it should be. ? We definately do not want > > businesses on our frequencies. > > > > > > Clare K0ny > > > > On Friday 30 October 2009 07:44:18 James Carroll wrote: > >> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 7:35 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > >> . > >> > >> > Casselberry [...] says that he is done > >> > with this type of ham radio activity and it will never happen again. > > > > He's > > > >> > even gone so far as to tell his employer that he is done with this > > > > type > > > >> > of radio activity and will take no further part in it's emergency > >> > communications program. > >> > > >> > W0WLS ends by noting that he is a hobbyist and don't need this sort > > > > of > > > >> > turmoil in my life. As such, he will make no further comments on > > > > this > > > >> > issue. > >> > >> No good deed goes unpunished. > >> > >> Jim KB0LZ > >> _______________________________________________ > >> WARC mailing list > >> WARC@lists.w0ne.org > >> http://lists.w0ne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/warc > > > > -- > > Mr. Clare Jarvis > > President, Jarvis Computer Software > > PO Box 1264 > > Winona, MN 5598707264 > > > > (507) 454-2575 > > _______________________________________________ > > WARC mailing list > > WARC@lists.w0ne.org > > http://lists.w0ne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/warc > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > WARC mailing list > > WARC@lists.w0ne.org > > http://lists.w0ne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/warc > > _______________________________________________ > WARC mailing list > WARC@lists.w0ne.org > http://lists.w0ne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/warc -- Mr. Clare Jarvis President, Jarvis Computer Software PO Box 1264 Winona, MN 5598707264 (507) 454-2575 From jarvis at jarviscomputer.com Fri Oct 30 16:12:09 2009 From: jarvis at jarviscomputer.com (Clare Jarvis) Date: Fri Oct 30 16:12:28 2009 Subject: [WARC] EComm is Changing In-Reply-To: <4AEAEDF7.6070308@acegroup.cc> References: <82953C93C297403FAF2A1E88ED3E8DF5@cankay.local> <4AEAEDF7.6070308@acegroup.cc> Message-ID: <200910301112.09979.jarvis@jarviscomputer.com> > So, if I am on an emcomm drill or emergency and shadowing a paid person > in a participating emergency (e.g., assistant Fire Chief), I can pass my > HT to the person and have him/her talk direct to a counterpart in > another agency if the person being shadowed by me is not a licensed > amateur, but I cannot do it if the person is a licensed amateur? I think you can hand your ht to anybody at any time whether they are licnesed or not because they are not the operator. You are still the control operator and they are not operating the radio. You are standing right there and using your call sign. This is not an issue. de Clare K0ny On Friday 30 October 2009 08:45:27 Len Litvan wrote: > So I guess this interpretation means that (pertaining to > disaster/emergency communications): > > - A licensed amateur may not transmit on amateur frequencies via a > station located in a hospital or other place where she/he is employed > (incl. county EOC). > - A licensed amateur may not transmit on amateur frequencies via a > station other than where she/he is employed while on the clock (e.g., > disaster site). [see below] > - A licensed amateur who is a paid person on the staff of a relief > agency may not transmit on amateur frequencies in relation to an > emergency or other relief service related to the agency's activities > even when not on the clock (e.g., Red Cross). > > So, if I am on an emcomm drill or emergency and shadowing a paid person > in a participating emergency (e.g., assistant Fire Chief), I can pass my > HT to the person and have him/her talk direct to a counterpart in > another agency if the person being shadowed by me is not a licensed > amateur, but I cannot do it if the person is a licensed amateur? > > The reference to "station licensee" in the interpretation is also > interesting. Who is the "station licensee" of the amateur transmitters > in the EOC and other spots around Winona? > > Do unpaid personnel (first responders, I guess) receive any funding or > property for personal use as a part of their volunteer work (equipment, > including personal protective equipment, or clothing )? Is this > pecuniary interest? > > Seems like it might be worth while to get a clarification of the > interpretation. If you agree, let me know and I will start > something--probably through the ARRL (although I am sure they are > inundated with requests for clarification already). > > Thanks Jim, for alerting us on this interpretation. > > Sincerely & 73, > Len KC0RSX > President > Winona Amateur Radio Club, Inc. > > Jim Brown wrote: > > Below is from Amateur Radio Newsline. > > > > > > > > RENFORCEMENT: HAM EXPLAINS WHY HES QUITTING EMMCOMM AT WORK > > > > A ham who posted on an Internet website that he had assisted in an > > emergency communications drill at work has come forward to explain why > > he was contacted about his action by FCC ham radio rules enforcer > > Laura Smith. Amateur Radio Newsline's Norm Seeley, KI7UP, has more: > > > > In his posting to the QRZ.com website, Jeffery Casselberry, W0WLS, > > says that last July he volunteered to take part in a state sanctioned > > communication drill which was backed by the Missouri Hospital > > Association. At that time he was the only licensed amateur in the > > facility so he said yes. > > > > According to Casselberry this drill took place during business hours > > while he was on the clock. He explained that he had built the amateur > > station for the hospital and with it the facility better than most in > > communicating locally and to the state capital. > > > > W0WLS went on to say that he was so thrilled about the drills success > > that what he made what he terms as the mistake of posting his > > excitement on the QRZ website. Someone who read it decided to cut and > > paste his comments and send them off to the FCC. As a result, W0WLS > > says that he received an informal email from the FCC's Smith > > acknowledging his violation and requesting a response. > > > > Casselberry says that he responded to Smith and explained in detail > > the events of his alleged violation. Smith responded with the > > following e-mail which reads as follows and we quote: > > > > "Jeff: Again, just so we are clear, Section 97.113 (a)(3) of the > > Commission's rules specifically states that "no amateur station shall > > transmit: communications in which the station licensee or control > > operator has a pecuniary interest, including communications on behalf > > of an employer." This means that if you are an employee of the > > hospital you may not operate the amateur equipment on their behalf > > even after hours or while you are on a break. The operation of the > > amateur equipment must be conducted strictly by volunteers." -- end > > quote. > > > > Casselberry went on to say that he does not want to become a poster > > child for some emergency communications cause on QRZ.com. He says that > > he is done with this type of ham radio activity and it will never > > happen again. He's even gone so far as to tell his employer that he is > > done with this type of radio activity and will take no further part in > > it's emergency communications program. > > > > W0WLS ends by noting that he is a hobbyist and don't need this sort of > > turmoil in my life. As such, he will make no further comments on this > > issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > /*/Jim Brown/*//*/ N0WE/*/ > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > WARC mailing list > > WARC@lists.w0ne.org > > http://lists.w0ne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/warc > > _______________________________________________ > WARC mailing list > WARC@lists.w0ne.org > http://lists.w0ne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/warc -- Mr. Clare Jarvis President, Jarvis Computer Software PO Box 1264 Winona, MN 5598707264 (507) 454-2575 From Litvan at acegroup.cc Fri Oct 30 16:43:06 2009 From: Litvan at acegroup.cc (Len Litvan) Date: Fri Oct 30 16:43:22 2009 Subject: [WARC] EComm is Changing In-Reply-To: <200910301106.42704.jarvis@jarviscomputer.com> References: <200910300836.10932.jarvis@jarviscomputer.com> <1617d7a40910300748y473d33b5i4f459447e736adfe@mail.gmail.com> <200910301106.42704.jarvis@jarviscomputer.com> Message-ID: <4AEB179A.3060609@acegroup.cc> Good points, Clare. I have a question regarding use of amateur equipment located at places like the EOC or Winona Health. The question has to do with definitions of station license and the requirements to hold a station license. Below is some selected wording from Part 97 pertaining to station license. The operator license grant is in another section and not too much of an issue relating to my question. When amateurs operate at these locations, which call sign ought to me used, the station call sign (who has physical control of the station apparatus), operator call sign, or club station call sign? According to the wording in Part 97.... 73, Len ? 97.5 Station license required. (a) The station apparatus must be under the physical control of a person named in an amateur station license grant on the ULS consolidated license database or a person authorized for alien reciprocal operation by ? 97.107 of this part, before the station may transmit on any amateur service frequency from any place that is: (1) Within 50 km of the Earth?s surface... (b) The types of station license grants are: (1) An operator/primary station license grant. One, but only one, operator/ primary station license grant may be held by any one person. The primary station license is granted together with the amateur operator license. Except for a representative of a foreign government, any person who qualifies by examination is eligible to apply for an operator/primary station license grant. (2) A club station license grant. A club station license grant may be held only by the person who is the license trustee designated by an officer of the club. The trustee must be a person who holds an Amateur Extra, Advanced, General, Technician Plus, or Technician operator license grant. The club must be composed of at least four persons and must have a name, a document of organization, management, and a primary purpose devoted to amateur service activities consistent with this part. (3) A military recreation station.... Clare Jarvis wrote: > Nothing stops people in either case from building equipment or setting up a station whether licensed or > otherwise. > > > > From jarvis at jarviscomputer.com Fri Oct 30 18:19:15 2009 From: jarvis at jarviscomputer.com (Clare Jarvis) Date: Fri Oct 30 18:19:32 2009 Subject: [WARC] EComm is Changing In-Reply-To: <4AEB179A.3060609@acegroup.cc> References: <200910300836.10932.jarvis@jarviscomputer.com> <200910301106.42704.jarvis@jarviscomputer.com> <4AEB179A.3060609@acegroup.cc> Message-ID: <200910301319.15642.jarvis@jarviscomputer.com> Len, As I recall if you are using another's station and you have permission, you use the station callsign. If the station owner does not grant permission to use their callsign then you use your own. The callsign you use determines what privledges you have. If you are using my station but I do not give you permission to use my callsign then your operation of my station is governed by the privledges of your callsign. If I give you permission to use my callsign, then if I am at the control position you may use my privledges and if I am missing then you must use your privledges because you are now the control operator. So a tech running the W0NE station at GRSF can trasnit at 14.020 CW if a control operator with extra privledges were present but cannot operate there without a control operator with extra privledges. Now lets call the tech ke0abc. ke0abc cannot transmit at 14.020 CW using that callsign period. It does not matter whether there is an extra control operator or not. The key is at an Offical Observer (OO) can hear a callsign, look up that callsign in the database and know whether the operator is apparently operating within their privledges. If you use ke0abc and it says in the database tech, then you must be in the tech band segments. So the key thing you must ask before using someone elses' equipment is 1. Can I use your radio? 2. Can I use my callsign? If you know that then you know what you can do with that radio. Clare' de K0NY On Friday 30 October 2009 11:43:06 Len Litvan wrote: > Good points, Clare. > > I have a question regarding use of amateur equipment located at places > like the EOC or Winona Health. The question has to do with definitions > of station license and the requirements to hold a station license. Below > is some selected wording from Part 97 pertaining to station license. The > operator license grant is in another section and not too much of an > issue relating to my question. > > When amateurs operate at these locations, which call sign ought to me > used, the station call sign (who has physical control of the station > apparatus), operator call sign, or club station call sign? According to > the wording in Part 97.... > > 73, > Len > > ? 97.5 Station license required. > (a) The station apparatus must be > under the physical control of a person > named in an amateur station license > grant on the ULS consolidated license > database or a person authorized for > alien reciprocal operation by ? 97.107 of > this part, before the station may transmit > on any amateur service frequency > from any place that is: > (1) Within 50 km of the Earth?s surface... > > (b) The types of station license > grants are: > (1) An operator/primary station license > grant. One, but only one, operator/ > primary station license grant may > be held by any one person. The primary > station license is granted together with > the amateur operator license. Except > for a representative of a foreign government, > any person who qualifies by > examination is eligible to apply for an > operator/primary station license grant. > (2) A club station license grant. A > club station license grant may be held > only by the person who is the license > trustee designated by an officer of the > club. The trustee must be a person who > holds an Amateur Extra, Advanced, > General, Technician Plus, or Technician > operator license grant. The club > must be composed of at least four persons > and must have a name, a document > of organization, management, > and a primary purpose devoted to amateur > service activities consistent with > this part. > (3) A military recreation station.... > > Clare Jarvis wrote: > > Nothing stops people in either case from building equipment or setting up > > a station whether licensed or otherwise. > > _______________________________________________ > WARC mailing list > WARC@lists.w0ne.org > http://lists.w0ne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/warc -- Mr. Clare Jarvis President, Jarvis Computer Software PO Box 1264 Winona, MN 5598707264 (507) 454-2575 From lhittner at hbci.com Sat Oct 31 02:25:36 2009 From: lhittner at hbci.com (Leslie Hittner) Date: Sat Oct 31 02:25:42 2009 Subject: [WARC] EComm is Changing References: <82953C93C297403FAF2A1E88ED3E8DF5@cankay.local> <4AEAEDF7.6070308@acegroup.cc> Message-ID: Since the equipment at the EOC is not licensed under an independent license= , = the "station licensee" is the radio club - when using the call W0NE - and = who ever else wants to use his/her call from that location. Len, you do pose some interesting questions - especially about the = "licensed" fire/police/whatever person. That alone makes the FCC position = quite slippery. -Les -------------------------------------------------- From: "Len Litvan" Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 8:45 AM To: "Winona Amateur Radio Club general discussion" Cc: Subject: Re: [WARC] EComm is Changing > So I guess this interpretation means that (pertaining to > disaster/emergency communications): > > - A licensed amateur may not transmit on amateur frequencies via a > station located in a hospital or other place where she/he is employed > (incl. county EOC). > - A licensed amateur may not transmit on amateur frequencies via a > station other than where she/he is employed while on the clock (e.g., > disaster site). [see below] > - A licensed amateur who is a paid person on the staff of a relief > agency may not transmit on amateur frequencies in relation to an > emergency or other relief service related to the agency's activities > even when not on the clock (e.g., Red Cross). > > So, if I am on an emcomm drill or emergency and shadowing a paid person > in a participating emergency (e.g., assistant Fire Chief), I can pass my > HT to the person and have him/her talk direct to a counterpart in > another agency if the person being shadowed by me is not a licensed > amateur, but I cannot do it if the person is a licensed amateur? > > The reference to "station licensee" in the interpretation is also > interesting. Who is the "station licensee" of the amateur transmitters > in the EOC and other spots around Winona? > > Do unpaid personnel (first responders, I guess) receive any funding or > property for personal use as a part of their volunteer work (equipment, > including personal protective equipment, or clothing )? Is this > pecuniary interest? > > Seems like it might be worth while to get a clarification of the > interpretation. If you agree, let me know and I will start > something--probably through the ARRL (although I am sure they are > inundated with requests for clarification already). > > Thanks Jim, for alerting us on this interpretation. > > Sincerely & 73, > Len KC0RSX > President > Winona Amateur Radio Club, Inc. > > Jim Brown wrote: >> >> Below is from Amateur Radio Newsline. >> >> >> >> RENFORCEMENT: HAM EXPLAINS WHY HES QUITTING EMMCOMM AT WORK >> >> A ham who posted on an Internet website that he had assisted in an >> emergency communications drill at work has come forward to explain why >> he was contacted about his action by FCC ham radio rules enforcer >> Laura Smith. Amateur Radio Newsline's Norm Seeley, KI7UP, has more: >> >> In his posting to the QRZ.com website, Jeffery Casselberry, W0WLS, >> says that last July he volunteered to take part in a state sanctioned >> communication drill which was backed by the Missouri Hospital >> Association. At that time he was the only licensed amateur in the >> facility so he said yes. >> >> According to Casselberry this drill took place during business hours >> while he was on the clock. He explained that he had built the amateur >> station for the hospital and with it the facility better than most in >> communicating locally and to the state capital. >> >> W0WLS went on to say that he was so thrilled about the drills success >> that what he made what he terms as the mistake of posting his >> excitement on the QRZ website. Someone who read it decided to cut and >> paste his comments and send them off to the FCC. As a result, W0WLS >> says that he received an informal email from the FCC's Smith >> acknowledging his violation and requesting a response. >> >> Casselberry says that he responded to Smith and explained in detail >> the events of his alleged violation. Smith responded with the >> following e-mail which reads as follows and we quote: >> >> "Jeff: Again, just so we are clear, Section 97.113 (a)(3) of the >> Commission's rules specifically states that "no amateur station shall >> transmit: communications in which the station licensee or control >> operator has a pecuniary interest, including communications on behalf >> of an employer." This means that if you are an employee of the >> hospital you may not operate the amateur equipment on their behalf >> even after hours or while you are on a break. The operation of the >> amateur equipment must be conducted strictly by volunteers." -- end = >> quote. >> >> Casselberry went on to say that he does not want to become a poster >> child for some emergency communications cause on QRZ.com. He says that >> he is done with this type of ham radio activity and it will never >> happen again. He's even gone so far as to tell his employer that he is >> done with this type of radio activity and will take no further part in >> it's emergency communications program. >> >> W0WLS ends by noting that he is a hobbyist and don't need this sort of >> turmoil in my life. As such, he will make no further comments on this >> issue. >> >> >> >> >> >> /*/Jim Brown/*//*/ N0WE/*/ >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WARC mailing list >> WARC@lists.w0ne.org >> http://lists.w0ne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/warc >> > _______________________________________________ > WARC mailing list > WARC@lists.w0ne.org > http://lists.w0ne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/warc > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.38/2467 - Release Date: 10/29/0= 9 = > 07:38:00 > = -------------- next part -------------- Skipped content of type multipart/alternative From lhittner at hbci.com Sat Oct 31 02:28:34 2009 From: lhittner at hbci.com (Leslie Hittner) Date: Sat Oct 31 02:28:35 2009 Subject: [WARC] EComm is Changing References: <82953C93C297403FAF2A1E88ED3E8DF5@cankay.local><4AEAEDF7.6070308@acegroup.cc> <200910301112.09979.jarvis@jarviscomputer.com> Message-ID: <8D0BCAE2EE1E431A92A91B17C49C5826@Europa> Good point, Clare. -Les -------------------------------------------------- From: "Clare Jarvis" Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 11:12 AM To: ; "Winona Amateur Radio Club general discussion" = Subject: Re: [WARC] EComm is Changing > > >> So, if I am on an emcomm drill or emergency and shadowing a paid person >> in a participating emergency (e.g., assistant Fire Chief), I can pass my >> HT to the person and have him/her talk direct to a counterpart in >> another agency if the person being shadowed by me is not a licensed >> amateur, but I cannot do it if the person is a licensed amateur? > > > I think you can hand your ht to anybody at any time whether they are = > licnesed or not because > they are not the operator. You are still the control operator and they = > are not operating the radio. > You are standing right there and using your call sign. This is not an = > issue. > > de Clare K0ny > > > > > > On Friday 30 October 2009 08:45:27 Len Litvan wrote: >> So I guess this interpretation means that (pertaining to >> disaster/emergency communications): >> >> - A licensed amateur may not transmit on amateur frequencies via a >> station located in a hospital or other place where she/he is employed >> (incl. county EOC). >> - A licensed amateur may not transmit on amateur frequencies via a >> station other than where she/he is employed while on the clock (e.g., >> disaster site). [see below] >> - A licensed amateur who is a paid person on the staff of a relief >> agency may not transmit on amateur frequencies in relation to an >> emergency or other relief service related to the agency's activities >> even when not on the clock (e.g., Red Cross). >> >> So, if I am on an emcomm drill or emergency and shadowing a paid person >> in a participating emergency (e.g., assistant Fire Chief), I can pass my >> HT to the person and have him/her talk direct to a counterpart in >> another agency if the person being shadowed by me is not a licensed >> amateur, but I cannot do it if the person is a licensed amateur? >> >> The reference to "station licensee" in the interpretation is also >> interesting. Who is the "station licensee" of the amateur transmitters >> in the EOC and other spots around Winona? >> >> Do unpaid personnel (first responders, I guess) receive any funding or >> property for personal use as a part of their volunteer work (equipment, >> including personal protective equipment, or clothing )? Is this >> pecuniary interest? >> >> Seems like it might be worth while to get a clarification of the >> interpretation. If you agree, let me know and I will start >> something--probably through the ARRL (although I am sure they are >> inundated with requests for clarification already). >> >> Thanks Jim, for alerting us on this interpretation. >> >> Sincerely & 73, >> Len KC0RSX >> President >> Winona Amateur Radio Club, Inc. >> >> Jim Brown wrote: >> > Below is from Amateur Radio Newsline. >> > >> > >> > >> > RENFORCEMENT: HAM EXPLAINS WHY HES QUITTING EMMCOMM AT WORK >> > >> > A ham who posted on an Internet website that he had assisted in an >> > emergency communications drill at work has come forward to explain why >> > he was contacted about his action by FCC ham radio rules enforcer >> > Laura Smith. Amateur Radio Newsline's Norm Seeley, KI7UP, has more: >> > >> > In his posting to the QRZ.com website, Jeffery Casselberry, W0WLS, >> > says that last July he volunteered to take part in a state sanctioned >> > communication drill which was backed by the Missouri Hospital >> > Association. At that time he was the only licensed amateur in the >> > facility so he said yes. >> > >> > According to Casselberry this drill took place during business hours >> > while he was on the clock. He explained that he had built the amateur >> > station for the hospital and with it the facility better than most in >> > communicating locally and to the state capital. >> > >> > W0WLS went on to say that he was so thrilled about the drills success >> > that what he made what he terms as the mistake of posting his >> > excitement on the QRZ website. Someone who read it decided to cut and >> > paste his comments and send them off to the FCC. As a result, W0WLS >> > says that he received an informal email from the FCC's Smith >> > acknowledging his violation and requesting a response. >> > >> > Casselberry says that he responded to Smith and explained in detail >> > the events of his alleged violation. Smith responded with the >> > following e-mail which reads as follows and we quote: >> > >> > "Jeff: Again, just so we are clear, Section 97.113 (a)(3) of the >> > Commission's rules specifically states that "no amateur station shall >> > transmit: communications in which the station licensee or control >> > operator has a pecuniary interest, including communications on behalf >> > of an employer." This means that if you are an employee of the >> > hospital you may not operate the amateur equipment on their behalf >> > even after hours or while you are on a break. The operation of the >> > amateur equipment must be conducted strictly by volunteers." -- end >> > quote. >> > >> > Casselberry went on to say that he does not want to become a poster >> > child for some emergency communications cause on QRZ.com. He says that >> > he is done with this type of ham radio activity and it will never >> > happen again. He's even gone so far as to tell his employer that he is >> > done with this type of radio activity and will take no further part in >> > it's emergency communications program. >> > >> > W0WLS ends by noting that he is a hobbyist and don't need this sort of >> > turmoil in my life. As such, he will make no further comments on this >> > issue. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > /*/Jim Brown/*//*/ N0WE/*/ >> > >> > >> > >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -- >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > WARC mailing list >> > WARC@lists.w0ne.org >> > http://lists.w0ne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/warc >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WARC mailing list >> WARC@lists.w0ne.org >> http://lists.w0ne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/warc > > > > -- = > Mr. Clare Jarvis > President, Jarvis Computer Software > PO Box 1264 > Winona, MN 5598707264 > > (507) 454-2575 > _______________________________________________ > WARC mailing list > WARC@lists.w0ne.org > http://lists.w0ne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/warc > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.38/2467 - Release Date: 10/29/0= 9 = > 07:38:00 > = -------------- next part -------------- Skipped content of type multipart/alternative From jbrown at luminet.net Sat Oct 31 11:47:58 2009 From: jbrown at luminet.net (Jim Brown) Date: Sat Oct 31 11:48:27 2009 Subject: [WARC] EComm is Changing In-Reply-To: <8D0BCAE2EE1E431A92A91B17C49C5826@Europa> References: <82953C93C297403FAF2A1E88ED3E8DF5@cankay.local><4AEAEDF7.6070308@acegroup.cc> <200910301112.09979.jarvis@jarviscomputer.com> <8D0BCAE2EE1E431A92A91B17C49C5826@Europa> Message-ID: <002901ca5a20$01d26760$05773620$@net> I think it is pretty simple. If you are a paid employee of an organization you are not allowed to use Amateur Radio for any activities that involve that organization. If you are a volunteer you are fine. Bilder as an EOC employee would not be allowed to use the radio but a licensed volunteer in the EOC could. As always they key word is paid employee. Jim N0WE -----Original Message----- From: warc-bounces@lists.w0ne.org [mailto:warc-bounces@lists.w0ne.org] On Behalf Of Leslie Hittner Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 9:29 PM To: Litvan@acegroup.cc; Winona Amateur Radio Club general discussion Subject: Re: [WARC] EComm is Changing Good point, Clare. -Les -------------------------------------------------- From: "Clare Jarvis" Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 11:12 AM To: ; "Winona Amateur Radio Club general discussion" Subject: Re: [WARC] EComm is Changing > > >> So, if I am on an emcomm drill or emergency and shadowing a paid >> person in a participating emergency (e.g., assistant Fire Chief), I >> can pass my HT to the person and have him/her talk direct to a >> counterpart in another agency if the person being shadowed by me is >> not a licensed amateur, but I cannot do it if the person is a licensed amateur? > > > I think you can hand your ht to anybody at any time whether they are > licnesed or not because they are not the operator. You are still the > control operator and they are not operating the radio. > You are standing right there and using your call sign. This is not an > issue. > > de Clare K0ny > > > > > > On Friday 30 October 2009 08:45:27 Len Litvan wrote: >> So I guess this interpretation means that (pertaining to >> disaster/emergency communications): >> >> - A licensed amateur may not transmit on amateur frequencies via a >> station located in a hospital or other place where she/he is employed >> (incl. county EOC). >> - A licensed amateur may not transmit on amateur frequencies via a >> station other than where she/he is employed while on the clock (e.g., >> disaster site). [see below] >> - A licensed amateur who is a paid person on the staff of a relief >> agency may not transmit on amateur frequencies in relation to an >> emergency or other relief service related to the agency's activities >> even when not on the clock (e.g., Red Cross). >> >> So, if I am on an emcomm drill or emergency and shadowing a paid >> person in a participating emergency (e.g., assistant Fire Chief), I >> can pass my HT to the person and have him/her talk direct to a >> counterpart in another agency if the person being shadowed by me is >> not a licensed amateur, but I cannot do it if the person is a licensed amateur? >> >> The reference to "station licensee" in the interpretation is also >> interesting. Who is the "station licensee" of the amateur >> transmitters in the EOC and other spots around Winona? >> >> Do unpaid personnel (first responders, I guess) receive any funding >> or property for personal use as a part of their volunteer work >> (equipment, including personal protective equipment, or clothing )? >> Is this pecuniary interest? >> >> Seems like it might be worth while to get a clarification of the >> interpretation. If you agree, let me know and I will start >> something--probably through the ARRL (although I am sure they are >> inundated with requests for clarification already). >> >> Thanks Jim, for alerting us on this interpretation. >> >> Sincerely & 73, >> Len KC0RSX >> President >> Winona Amateur Radio Club, Inc. >> >> Jim Brown wrote: >> > Below is from Amateur Radio Newsline. >> > >> > >> > >> > RENFORCEMENT: HAM EXPLAINS WHY HES QUITTING EMMCOMM AT WORK >> > >> > A ham who posted on an Internet website that he had assisted in an >> > emergency communications drill at work has come forward to explain >> > why he was contacted about his action by FCC ham radio rules >> > enforcer Laura Smith. Amateur Radio Newsline's Norm Seeley, KI7UP, has more: >> > >> > In his posting to the QRZ.com website, Jeffery Casselberry, W0WLS, >> > says that last July he volunteered to take part in a state >> > sanctioned communication drill which was backed by the Missouri >> > Hospital Association. At that time he was the only licensed amateur >> > in the facility so he said yes. >> > >> > According to Casselberry this drill took place during business >> > hours while he was on the clock. He explained that he had built the >> > amateur station for the hospital and with it the facility better >> > than most in communicating locally and to the state capital. >> > >> > W0WLS went on to say that he was so thrilled about the drills >> > success that what he made what he terms as the mistake of posting >> > his excitement on the QRZ website. Someone who read it decided to >> > cut and paste his comments and send them off to the FCC. As a >> > result, W0WLS says that he received an informal email from the >> > FCC's Smith acknowledging his violation and requesting a response. >> > >> > Casselberry says that he responded to Smith and explained in detail >> > the events of his alleged violation. Smith responded with the >> > following e-mail which reads as follows and we quote: >> > >> > "Jeff: Again, just so we are clear, Section 97.113 (a)(3) of the >> > Commission's rules specifically states that "no amateur station >> > shall >> > transmit: communications in which the station licensee or control >> > operator has a pecuniary interest, including communications on >> > behalf of an employer." This means that if you are an employee of >> > the hospital you may not operate the amateur equipment on their >> > behalf even after hours or while you are on a break. The operation >> > of the amateur equipment must be conducted strictly by volunteers." >> > -- end quote. >> > >> > Casselberry went on to say that he does not want to become a poster >> > child for some emergency communications cause on QRZ.com. He says >> > that he is done with this type of ham radio activity and it will >> > never happen again. He's even gone so far as to tell his employer >> > that he is done with this type of radio activity and will take no >> > further part in it's emergency communications program. >> > >> > W0WLS ends by noting that he is a hobbyist and don't need this sort >> > of turmoil in my life. As such, he will make no further comments on >> > this issue. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > /*/Jim Brown/*//*/ N0WE/*/ >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > ----- >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > WARC mailing list >> > WARC@lists.w0ne.org >> > http://lists.w0ne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/warc >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WARC mailing list >> WARC@lists.w0ne.org >> http://lists.w0ne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/warc > > > > -- > Mr. Clare Jarvis > President, Jarvis Computer Software > PO Box 1264 > Winona, MN 5598707264 > > (507) 454-2575 > _______________________________________________ > WARC mailing list > WARC@lists.w0ne.org > http://lists.w0ne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/warc > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.38/2467 - Release Date: > 10/29/09 07:38:00 > From jbrown at luminet.net Sat Oct 31 12:12:00 2009 From: jbrown at luminet.net (Jim Brown) Date: Sat Oct 31 12:12:26 2009 Subject: [WARC] FCC Waiver Message-ID: <002a01ca5a23$5b788260$12698720$@net> FCC Issues First Waiver for Government-Sponsored Disaster Drill On Tuesday October 27, the FCC's Wireless Telecommunications Bureau (WTB ) granted the first waiver that allows amateurs who participate in a government-sponsored emergency preparedness and disaster drill to communicate on behalf of their employers during the drill. The waiver request was made on behalf of the Commonwealth of Kentucky. That state will be conducting a full-scale exercise on Wednesday, October 28, 2009 from 8 AM-5 PM (EDT) to test their emergency response to the possible release of chemical agents at Blue Grass Army Depot, located near Richmond, Kentucky. "The waiver request was what could almost be termed a 'textbook example' of the process," said ARRL Regulatory Information Manager Dan Henderson, N1ND. "The waiver request met all of the criteria outlined in the Commission's recent Public Notice DA 09-2259 : A government-sponsored drill, the specifics of when and where the event would happen, the identification of the amateur licensees that would be providing communications on behalf of their employers, the identification of the employers and a brief description of the drill. With all of the requirements in order, the WTB was able to turn the waiver around promptly, allowing the amateurs involved to participate in the exercise." It is important to note that while this particular waiver -- the first issued under the new guidelines -- could be readily handled within the short time frame, Henderson suggests that government agencies wishing to request similar waivers in the future provide sufficient lead-time for their requests. "I wouldn't recommend that a waiver request be filed at the last minute," he said. "The Kentucky waiver had the benefit of being the first one -- meaning there was no lag time in processing. It also had the advantage of easily meeting all of the requirements, making it an easier decision. I would encourage government agencies to file the waiver request as soon as they know which amateurs will need to be included in the waiver. This will allow the FCC as much lead time as possible. I am not certain they will be in a position to expedite last-minute requests." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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