[WARC] EComm is Changing

[Clare Jarvis]

I appreciate Larry's input.   If the ecomm center at Winona health is manned by say me K0ny, I gain no financial benefit by operating 
that station.   Does Dan Goltz have a financial gain by operating that station if say the patient may need pharmacuticals and Dan's 
employers may provide them.   I think that link is too tenuous.  

The wage hour thing may apply but the FCC doesn't care.  These are FCC rules and not Dept of Labor Rules.   The rule was put in so 
there would not be any professional amateur radio operators.    But the narrow interpretation really binds Red Cross and hospitals.   
I guess at this point I would tell Red Cross personnel and Bob Builder that if you have a license and you do not get on the air as 
part of the hobby then surrender the licnese.   If you don't have a license then don't get one unless you want to get on the air as 
part of a hobby.   Nothing stops people in either case from building equipment or setting up a station whether licensed or 
otherwise.


If you are a Red Cross volunteer then get a license because you can use the radio because Red Cross is not your job.

I run a radio at my employer's office.  It is my radio not my employers.   Occassionally I operate the radio during time that I 
normally work.   My compensation does not change whether I operate the radio or how long I operate the radio and my employer does 
not benefit financially.   Therefore any time I am on the air I don't think I am in violation.    I don't think that situation is 
any different than an astronaut on the international space station.  or a trucker in a company rig with his own radio installed.


de K0ny
  



On Friday 30 October 2009 09:48:28 Larry Worthington wrote:
> The problem with on your own time is labor law does not allow you to
> volunteer time for your employer. (US Department of Labor). If a
> person tyred to volunteer for their employer and US Department of
> Labor found out there would be large fines for the employer. If
> payroll or HR found out at most places they would end up paying you
> for it and then implement disciplinary action so as not to be fined by
> the US Department of Labor.  Not to mention the implications with
> their work comp insurance carrier.
>
> Larry
> KC9HDP
>
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Jim Brown <jbrown at luminet.net> wrote:
> > Clare,
> >
> > I agree. The interesting part of this to me is the fact that said it
> > would be in violation even if the person was on their own time.
> >
> > Jim Brown
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: warc-bounces at lists.w0ne.org [mailto:warc-bounces at lists.w0ne.org]
> > On Behalf Of Clare Jarvis
> > Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 8:36 AM
> > To: Winona Amateur Radio Club general discussion
> > Subject: Re: [WARC] EComm is Changing
> >
> > This is a slippery slope.  I am not opposed to propose rule change but
> > Caaelberry was in violation of the existing rules.  If you
> > notice when you go into AES or Ham Radio Outlet where they have
> > stations,  the sales staff never helps you in the operation of the
> > demo equipment.  That is how it should be.   We definately do not want
> > businesses on our frequencies.
> >
> >
> > Clare K0ny
> >
> > On Friday 30 October 2009 07:44:18 James Carroll wrote:
> >> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 7:35 AM, Jim Brown <jimb at wenonah.com> wrote:
> >> .
> >>
> >> > Casselberry [...] says that he is done
> >> > with this type of ham radio activity and it will never happen again.
> >
> > He's
> >
> >> > even gone so far as to tell his employer that he is done with this
> >
> > type
> >
> >> > of radio activity and will take no further part in it's emergency
> >> > communications program.
> >> >
> >> > W0WLS ends by noting that he is a hobbyist and don't need this sort
> >
> > of
> >
> >> > turmoil in my life. As such, he will make no further comments on
> >
> > this
> >
> >> > issue.
> >>
> >> No good deed goes unpunished.
> >>
> >> Jim KB0LZ
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Mr. Clare Jarvis
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PO Box 1264
Winona, MN 5598707264

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